[6 Photos] S.Africa: A ruined farm worth R100 million

I've been lucky enough to catch another news item showing another ruined farm that was handed over to the blacks via "Land Reform" - which the ANC assured us would NOT be the failure that so-called "Land Reform" was in Zimbabwe!

This farm in Letsitele, is a massive Orange farm. As best I could make out from the news item, this farm was worth R100 million. As I was saying, the ANC is not handing over just any old "silly family farm" - they are actually getting the best, the finest farms/businesses which are worth enormous sums of money, and they are handing it over to the blacks. And these farms are collapsing! The blacks can't even keep a successful going concern functioning!

This farm produced 140,000 oranges worth R7 million per annum at the time it was handed over to the blacks. Now it produces - NONE!

Take a look. This is the farm.



The journalist mentions what the farm used to produce, and now it produces nothing...



The orange trees are now dying...



The blacks are now chopping up the dead orange trees for firewood!!



Here is a massive disused shed on the farm...



The tractor is no longer working - it has no tyres on its front wheels. The excuses given for the farm's collapse was that the blacks whom it was handed over to did not have the adequate skills!



Another ANC Land Reform "success"!!!

Date Posted: Wednesday 09-Jun-2010
You should read this article published in a French newspaper:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%...

Lars Pluss
San Francisco CA
USA

Date Posted: Monday 31-May-2010
Yes Ali G...

The ANC is very democratic, that is why they are intimidating opposition parties and telling 30,000 people at ANC rallies that their ancestor spirits will expose them and make them sick if they left the ANC.
http://www.africancrisis.co.za/Article.php?ID...

And the ANC is not racist at all:
That is why Malema is signing genocidal hate songs and the ANC is backing him up by appealing against a court order calling it hate speech and unconstitutional.

http://www.africancrisis.co.za/Article.php?ID...([Pics] Important: Calls for Exterminating White South Africans: "One bullet, one white infant")
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Baby-M...

Anonymous

Date Posted: Wednesday 12-May-2010
After reading through this article again today, I did a little costing and oranges bought today at a low price but at a top supermarket; sweet, juicy class one oranges were 1,5 Kg or five for Euro 2, 20. At the current rate of exchange that is R216, or R43, 20 each. It sounds a lot to South Africans but an average take home wage for a semi-skilled man/woman here is about Euro 800 a month and this would also mean totally free medical, unemployment income and a State pension contribution which can be currently easily be lived on.

But Spain is also a major producer of citrus fruits.

It is a shame that so many Africans, black and white, are being deprived of such a healthy food. 15 years to the Zimbabwe stage for SA?

Ali G, thsi is not racist talk but a need to recognise what is happening so that the right people, obviously not the ANC, can take the action to prevent the looming disaster.

And all the black Africans had their future hopes assured within the homelands where they could work and be as successful as the white Africans. If that was possible but looking at the current state of SA, the former government is being once again proven to have been right.

Have the new hospitals and schools that were planned before the cash was diverted to build and renovate football stadiums stopped the work been restarted yet?

Good question, isn't it?

One-Eyed-Nelson
Europe

Date Posted: Tuesday 16-Mar-2010
In the days since Malema's sing song - 7 farmers killed.
ZUMA says he will not be stopped from singing the Freedom song. That would be Apartheid to stop singing "Kill the Boer. Shoot the Boer."

http://www.sake24.com/articles/default/displa...

Chamber of Commerce said the is growing concern at the increasing numbers of farm murders. There is already concern locally and internationally how the high rate of farm murders will have associated risks,

Using nominal GDP for 2009 of R2,4 billiob, a contrubition of 3.22% and estimated 39,982 farms, the cost of the murders to the economy is R1.9 mill per annum.
This estimate assumes a permanent loss of the farms.
If its presumed that its temporary loss of productivity of the farm, the GDP loss is estimated R161 072 pm,.

Its a conservative approach to the impact of farm murders on the economy of the direct/indirect opportunities.
These estimates do not include the different farms impact on job security.
Its presumed also that all farms provide income to the GDP and the murders always lead to less productivity of that farm.
These costs can affect the country's ability to recover from the world recession.

The Chamber believes it is of cardinal importance that the causes for the murders and attacks be addressed not only on moral and legal grounds but also for national economic importance.
The Chamber will discuss with government to develop strategies to halt this disturbing tendency in connection with farm murders.

ANC sanctions GENOCIDE with silence and permission that Malema can keep telling people they can "Shoot the Boer. Kill the Boer.)

old, female

Date Posted: Tuesday 16-Mar-2010
ANC GOVT admitted to the media that -
90% of the once EXPORTING, Tax generating, Employing many workers - farms GIVEN to land claimants - now LIE DERELICT.
These inept "farmers" have since gone back to shack dwelling in urban areas or decimate the soil ever more as all timber is stripped for firewood..

THE NEXT ZIMBABWE DISASTER TO UNFOLD :
SAZIM aka as South Africa

NATIONALISATION OF AGRICULTURAL LAND

There can be no doubt that should all productive land in South Africa be changed into a national asset, it would mean the nationalisation of land.
According to media reports one of the options which the ANC is considering for the green paper on land reform, is a proposal that all agricultural land will in future belong to the state and existing owner's property rights will be changed into a rental system.
If such a proposal would be made government policy it would be contrary to the Constitution, it would permanently deter all investors from South Africa and it would create huge uncertainty in rural areas which in turn would destroy food security.

(The first BILL from Parliament was rejected by Constitution Court. The Judiciary of this once highly esteemed Court - have now been been replaced with ZUMA cronies. ANC members. The Constitution is a piece of paper.) The Expropriation Bill is now named NATIONALIZATION. Fait accompli !

The development of rural areas is at present one of the priorities of the ANC.
(THEY CAN BE LAND RICH and starving. There is not enough tax revenue to keep giving huge payments to inept farmers who prefer cattle grazing to hard work.)
Now productive farms are going to be GRABBED by ANC Govt.)

Uncertainty is the most important reason why commercial farmers in rural areas at present are not developing their farms or create more employment opportunities.

If a so-called rental system is made government policy, it would create total uncertainty in rural areas. Any government official who thinks that development of rural areas is possible without the cooperation of commercial farmers, would be denying the realities of South Africa.
(PASTORALISM is the African idea of Farming. A maize patch to feed his family is called SUBSISTENCE not Agriculture ! )

In the interest of South Africa and agriculture, these proposals will have to be opposed with all possible sources and by all interested parties.

Statement issued by Dr Pieter Mulder, MP, Freedom Front Plus leader and deputy minister of agriculture, March 15 2010

old, female

Date Posted: Monday 15-Mar-2010
Russell Fig
Brookline
USA.

Your thoughts on nthev differences between African blacks an US blacksn are pertinet. Whenh we lived in Sa we left (escaped) in 1999 due to te serious crime where neighbours vwere being robbed and nraped despite having much barbed wire and private security patrols, and some neighbours were black and they bwere tarhgeted as well, shortly beforte we left, we met an African American nwhile filling upo,our car and after hearing him speak, ealsied he was aforeigner so we invited him to a barbvecue we ere having that6 Sunday. At our barbecues we could have up to 50 people attending. Whilether he was made most welcome by all and after a time he admitted that he was from Houston Texcas and he wasa in the "new" South Africa to do some business. Without being prompted I said "Be honets, it is not what you thought, dealing with black peole here, is it?" He re4pliedwithout hesitation, Brian you are so right. He then went on to tell us of his experiences and that he was returning to the USA "empty-handed" as he knew he could not agree with all the bribery demanded and the illogical thinking of the people, some in govt.
I then said to him that many people of all races overseas are really hte racist ones because they think that all black/white etc people are the same within their race groups, he thought about it for a few seconds and then agreed.

I use to be invited to parties in my neighbourhood by black neighbours that I had given advice to, the only white man at the party in most cases. When I said we my family and we are all naturalised citizens) were leaving (escaping) in 1999, most begged us to stay as they knew what the future held without the whites in South Africa.

One eyed Nelson
Europe

Date Posted: Wednesday 23-Dec-2009
Yep yep yep. It still goes with race,race, and more race infact let me say colour as if we are mentally blind. I am a proud black( as mostly u will need to know my colour) South African. Let me ask you one question: Is the ANC led government the first one to do corruption? One thing for sure, the ANC is very democratic, non racist and infact accomodating organisation. Punish me for saying that,and to let you know I do not belong to the organisation but I believe they are best so far in the continent and some of the eastern countries(Asia)and the americas.

We all know of what aparthied or rather I say the "white regime", to me to say the "white regime" I feel it is a crime as we had and still have intellectuals with deep white skins and perhaps blue eyes in the ANC such as the Cronins, the Slovos, the Kasrils, the Erwins, the Davies, etc who never know the difference between "black" and "white" but in them they knew South Africans and wanted what is best for South Africans. Trully speaking the party in government now had a lot to deal with and correct since it obtained power, they said that over and over again and I promised, looking at the systems (policies, the Acts, etc )they brought since the "death" of apartheid I beleive if we have people who are very positive about the growth and prosperiety of this beautiful country we will go far. So it is not wise of course to always look back and blame aparthied, I beleive 80% of all those who benefited on it are long gone - dead, finish and klaar, and for me to point my little finger at Nicolaas whoever because of his skin colour today its a shame and claim he benefited from whatwhat (particular aparthied). Thats why I say that we need positive people who will not sit and open their mouth, yap, yap... and say negative things or people who will say the sun rises in the east, then Australia here I come accept me with my luggage of worries, I am South African i had problems with the government there it so corrupt give me citizenship. As I know most of those who steal and happen to be "mostly white" run to that country may be they change once there and practice good governance. Where in the world there is a country with no corruption? Which country in the world so successful, driving most powerful economies will never interfere with the domestic affairs of small or third world countries for their own benefit? Who masterminded and benefitted directly or indirectly from the raging wars that the continent had on diamionds, gold, etc? Look at the Middle East, it is burning today, blood is running on the streets and really those who knew "good governance" are quiet now, they brought their own democracies there and the rest we "bought" their stories (what they said in WMD, etc). I am also scared, I wont stand up to them, I will be killed. Our aparthied regime had its own "volk" when you belong to it you will be super rich, go to the extent of being front to get arms some where from those who never cared and provide the state and shoot thousands of black kids in the township just for protesting to have a better education, etc. If i was as wise as I am now then I would not call myself a South African if we still had aparthied. It's a shame. Well, yes my father, my mother, were taxed to buy guns, built best facilities for a certain "race" and come back shoot me I am a threat to an unjust government, with unjust laws, get the point. My father, my mom, never had a say about their taxed money, no hospital, I schooled under a tree, I was young and blind i never understood i just knew was normal and i accepted it until 1994. So who should be killed now, the ANC, come on fellow south african we can do better than this lets built the country of ours, rather criticise them lets help them. They brought the light and lets keep it lit.

I guess any of us has his or her own strong points, so as our current government and I believe they will improve: They really did good coming to democracy - here is just a few;

1. Freedom of speech - our media houses can report freely and not been jailed or shut down.
2. Anyone can determine his or her own destiny without any law that say that career if for "white" or you can not study at that specific institution, there a quite a number of good things they come up with. Most of black people never had access to lots of things, just to say they never determined their own destiny, only to obey strict laws, set for you and if you do not you either a terrorist or communist and all those nasty things. We know that not all whites liked aparthied there are those who really fought against it and there are ones who needed to hold on it because of their own fears, remember this happened even to certain "blacks" whom because of fear beleived that the "white" separist state should continue.

All in all lets do away with the "black" and the "white" whatever u call it and rectify the mistake of the past and live together in peace, have common objectives, and achieve a lot etc as South Africans. I am willing, you can join me and can guide you towards that, are you...my brother, my sister, etc ?

Ali G
nst
rsa

Date Posted: Tuesday 14-Jul-2009
"This farm produced 140,000 oranges worth R7 million per annum "

Check the math bro.

Who pays 50 bucks for an orange?

Cheers

*PS - I get your point though. I've almost concluded a deal to buy a 245ha farm in Zululand and dumped the idea after reading the posts on this site.

May those souls rest in peace.

Jan
Durbs
SA

Date Posted: Wednesday 04-Mar-2009
I am very uninformed about what is happening in South Africa.I by chance came across this site when looking for property in Cape Town S.A. My husband and myself are retired and was looking for a farm or vineyard to start a new life on. I knew that there was a lot of problems in Johannesburg but didn't realize it was so wide spread. Moving and investing in a country is a big step and was told the Cape Town area was safe to live in by a South African who says life there is wonderful. Is it so dangerous and unstable? Have we been fed misinformation about the condistion of the country itself? Where can we find out the truth of South Africa and the possible problems setting up in the future for the country?

Brenda Gonatas
Greece

Date Posted: Thursday 19-Feb-2009
An enterprise and the area it occupies should be seen separately. This mess has nothing to do with skin colour. It is caused by the collectivist culture which continues in most countries.
To hand over an enterprise (A purposeful or industrious undertaking, especially one that requires effort or boldness) to a community is doomed to failure. If the local supermarket were handed over to a community of whites - it would very quickly fail.

An enterprise whether it be an Orange or sheep farm needs the guiding hand of an entrepreneur, not the collective inertia of a community.

Martin Foster
Centurion
SA

Date Posted: Tuesday 06-Jan-2009
This is the first time i visited this site. I read the argument from the guy of the USA and there is something that struck me. He actually thinks the blacks in his country are the same type of black people you get here. Yess here where 1 out of every 3 women gets raped and we have a national murder rate of 22 thousand on average a year. This is a country with 1/8 of your population (USA).

I am also concerned becouse 2 paramilitary camps were found were black people are now being trained for the war against whites - the evidence http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/New...


ohh and there is more to show goverment knew about this.http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/New...

neo
capetown
south africa

Date Posted: Friday 29-Feb-2008
Andrew, I have a lot of respect for you! It is very clear to me that you know what you are talking about. Everything you say is true. I myself had to come to Greece (this one is for Russell - My name is Christalle, please note the spelling - and it is NOT Greek, my surname is Efthymiou because I am married to a Greek, and yes I still have my S.A Citizenship, and I am not going to give it up, I am very South African thank you) I found a job in Greece and I found peace... not even my husband want to stay in Greece because he spend most of his live in S.A, the thing is just if you can't provide for your family because you have no job, due to skin colour, you have to go where you can. I am so clad that there are other people in S.A like you Andrew that will not let the truth be left untold... BRAVO

Christalle Efthymiou
Preveza
Greece

Date Posted: Friday 29-Feb-2008
Maybe if the leaders and high profile visitors to this country didn’t swoon over the ANC and voiced disapproval for the ANC then they may get the message….. (Wont hold my breath for that one thou). South Africa is my home and I will not be leaving any time soon.

Latest in SA … French engineers are being sent to sort out the power problems, nice! But what I would like to know is why not just rehire the white SOUTH AFRICAN engineers that where “retrenched” to make way for the ANC buddies??????????????????????????

A bit too obvious a solution that one ….. or maybe the French Engineers that are coming are those white engineers that have left the country to find work!!!!

Andrew Richards
Alberton
South Africa

Date Posted: Thursday 28-Feb-2008
Andrew I couldn't agree with you more. I wonder at times why it is that Africans don't seem to be able to grasp certain basic concepts of Democracy. Why is it that they are usualy unable to conduct an election and accept the results. It is up to we whites who have had more experience and by virtue of our experience in conjunction with sophisticated blacks to show them the way and teach them. In South Africa whites,blacks,and indi9ans could continue to make South Africa the Europe of Africa if everyone pulls together. We have to move away from the Apartheid mentality of being a white, black,couloured and indian and realise that we are all South Africans.

Those of us that Are abroad should expose what is going on in the country but with the intention of premoting south Africa not to tear it down. It seems that to many of us who go abroad tear the country down instead of prepmoting it. My fellow South Africans is it going to help the country when we constantly tear it down why not try a different aproach and build it up even with all it's flaws?

Russell Fig
Waltham
USA

Date Posted: Thursday 28-Feb-2008
Well Chriatalle you have a Greek name and the fact that you now live in Grece led me to conclude that you are Greek.

Were you borne in South Africa and did you marry a Greek what is the story because you have a Greek

Do you still have South African Citizenship?

Russell Fig
Waltham
USA

Date Posted: Thursday 28-Feb-2008
Gathering my thoughts regarding what Russell has said.
We the citizens of South Africa have been extremely patient with the ANC we have endured the post apartheid crime wave the corruption and degradation of our country, not to mention the onslaught against us. It is interesting to note that in the other democracies around the world when a new leader is elected he/she dose not remove the trained and experienced people that work for the government and replace them with there own inexperienced and unqualified people, but a good sensible leader will keep these people to manage the infrastructure efficiently and correctly!

One of the most devastating disasters in SA is that experienced and qualified people where replaced in the Railways(Transnet) and all other peristalses resulting in the steady decline of the infrastructure. This economic and governance practice is symptomatic of African Governance! – Examples in Africa, pick a country any country, it’s all the same. That’s why Africa is in such a state.

The unfortunate reality of Africa is the vast majority still have a tribal mentality. This demands unquestioned loyalty to the chief and his tribe, it is seen that because he is the leader he is entitled to do as he pleases and cannot be questioned even if he kills rapes and otherwise abuses his subjects. Examples Kaunda, Amin, Mugabi etc etc etc ……
So the democratic process in Africa is doomed to failure because the majority of the people do not question the actions of there leaders. It is the responsibility of the more enlightened citizens of Africa (now I know what you thinking, this means whites, NO many enlightened black citizens are in jails, or dead, all over Africa for there comments about there governments, look at ZIM!!) And what is the US/Europe doing ….. NOTHING!!! Maybe they send some advisers or aid or maybe a couple of troops but they largly leave things to the OAU (a collection of dictators and corrupt despots, Who are all guilty of the same crimes against there people!)

Africa dose not need aid!! It needs enlightenment and the removal of the dictators!!!!!!
Off the point but its hard to just sit and watch your country and people suffer and not say or do anything about it, even if opening your mouth is dangerous!!

Andrew Richards
Alberton
South Africa

Date Posted: Thursday 28-Feb-2008
I AM NOT GREEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM SOUTH AFRICAN

Christalle Efthymiou
Preveza
Greece

Date Posted: Wednesday 27-Feb-2008
Christalle if my coments are "so sorry" as you put it then why does world opinion support the ANC. I agree with you that in many respects the ANC is doing a terrible job running the country especialy when it comes to crime,aids,and afirmative action. However the majority of South Africans have voted for them and as you being Greek should know when a majority of people vote for a leader or a political party that becomes the governement who being Greek should be aware of that after all you people invented Democracy.

People don't you think that we should give these ANC Chaps time and not judge then to harshly after all they are novice politicians and are having to learn as they go? Remember that for years the ANC had no experience in running a country they were invoved in fighting a liberation war so they are in the process of learning. What is unfortunate is that there are people like Mbeki and Zuma in the organisation things would be different if there were more people like Mandela or Ramaphosa.

Reember the Nats had 46 years to perfect their system and the ANC have ony had 12 years in power so let's give them time to make their mistakes and hope for the best.

As long as their is a strong oposition the ANC won't be able to force their will on the entire country this is why it is necessary for the DA and IFP to continue to play the role of oposition parties in this way it will keeep the ANC on it's toes.

Presently their are 15 political parties in South Africa that are funtioning openly so it must show that democracy with all it's problems is taking place in South Africa today. How many African countries permit oposition paries to legaly exist? Also in South Africa there is a bill of rights that helps keep the countty on the right path. Maybe what South Africa needs is to weed out all the corrupt people in the ANC and restore the organisation to what it started out to be a party of all South Africans who beleved in a democratic non racial society.

True that the ANC and the South African Communist party have had a strong allaince but the communists are finished because their is no external basis for them to get their agenda of the ground so they are finished,after all South Africa historicaly has been run along capatalistic lines and continues to be so,after all these ANC members have jumped onto the gravy train. I don't think that thes ANC members want to lose their ill gotten wealth it would be the end for them.

Russell Fig
Brookline
USA

Date Posted: Wednesday 27-Feb-2008
Thank you Andrew, for informing Russell, I have the same problem when I try to make people in Europe understand what is going on in South Africa, they only get half of the story via the media and I feel it is a shame that so little is said about the crime and all the rest that is going on in S.A. I think we will never be able to change the way people think about the ANC because Apartheid always gets the blame. I will never stop telling the World what I know for sure about S.A and the "sick" ANC goverment!! People like Russell read things in the media and think they know everything, not knowing half of it and still have the cheek to comment. Russell, I am not going to spent any more of my energy and time to reply to your "so sorry" comments.

Christalle Efthymiou
Preveza
Greece

Date Posted: Wednesday 27-Feb-2008
Russel,

What people forget is that the ANC and its vary close ally the SACP have walked a long road together and a large proportion of the ANC are card carrying members of the SACP, as for the ANC being racist the list of discriminatory legislations and actions are far to long to mention here. I will add on here that is blatant.
2. Chapter 2 - Prohibition of Unfair Discrimination ( It looks nice on paper but if you get into the application of this legislation and see it in practice it’s not so pretty!)
2.1 No person may unfairly discriminate, directly or indirectly, against an employee in any employment policy or practice, on one or more grounds including race, gender, pregnancy, marital status, family responsibility, ethnic or social origin, colour, sexual orientation, age, disability, religion, HIV status, conscience, belief, political opinion, culture, language, and birth.
2.2 It is not unfair discrimination to promote affirmative action consistent with the Act or to prefer or exclude any person on the basis of an inherent job requirement.(WHAT!!! It is NOT??? Unfair discrimination ?????? This is discrimination! And is contradictory to the section 2.1, why bother with saying 2.1 if you can contradict it? Refer to section 9 of the constitution in particular paragraph 3!)
Jobs ARE reserved on the basis of skin colour and a new job designation BCI (Black, Colourds , Indians) has become prevalent in companies over last 6 months or so..

It is convenient for the ANC to appear to the word as being non raciest and democratic so as to keep the word from comparing SA to Zim, or other African contrys!

Andrew Richards
Alberton
South Africa

Date Posted: Tuesday 26-Feb-2008
Andrew how can you claim that the ANC is racist when it concists of blacks ,whites,idians,and couloureds. Some prominent non blacks are people like Alec Erwin and Trevor Manuel. If the ANC were an exclusivly black organisation do you think that non blacks would hold sutch influential postitions in the organisation.

As for corruption I agree with you it is individuals that have given the organisation a bad name. Unfortunatly they are getting away from the concept of the ANC. The organisation under the leadership of Luthuli and Mandela was a different organisation from what it has become today. It is ashame that certain individuals are bringing the organisation down with them it is a bad reflection on the country.

Russell Fig
Brookline
USA

Date Posted: Tuesday 26-Feb-2008
I do not have a problem with black people. I do however have a very large problem with the ANC Gov. the ANC is corrupt and raciest/communist to the core! And has the misconception that running a county is like running a kraal. The destruction of South Africa is only too clear when you travel around this country like I do. The signs of decay mismanagement and basic lack of management in the towns and cities is vary clear. The power cruces is only the beginning of a bigger collapse, millions of Rand’s have been squandered and misappropriated, stolen or “LOST” funds that should have been used for the maintenance of the counties infrastructure, not to mention development and expansions.!!!!!!

Andrew Richards
Alberton
South Africa

Date Posted: Monday 25-Feb-2008
Mr Fig, I AM South African!! I am in Greece because of the crime in S.A. I had a good personal relationship with 3 black people in S.A and we still speak, but personal relationships will not save South Africa. Like I said before ..you are missing the point and I will say it again, you don't know what you are talking about.

Christalle Efthymiou
Preveza
Greece

Date Posted: Saturday 23-Feb-2008
Mr. Fig you are missing the point here, we are not talking of personal encounters we had with other races, we are talking about the ANC goverment and what they are doning to our country!!!! The sub. here is the farm and what they have done to it, let alone crime and all the rest happening in South Africa, you yourself just said you dont like blacks bring politics into everyday life......what is your point, it sounds to me you are playing for both teams. Get your facts togheter and and think next time, before writing "crab"

Christalle Efthymiou
Preveza
Greece

Date Posted: Friday 22-Feb-2008
Christella don't you think that you can try harder? Are you going to tell me that you have never met one black South African that you can get along with personaly? As for politics their opinions run the gamet from nationlistic to liberal so if you look deligently enougth I think that you will be able to find blacks that you agree with politicly.

If you can find any common ground like that these are the relationships that you can start building on.

I notice that you are Greek and Greeks do not have a history of tension with blacks like Afrikaners so it should be easier for a white with a liberal European backround like yours.

Russell Fig
Boston
USA

Date Posted: Friday 22-Feb-2008
Then LBS what do you want us to do? We white South Africans are responsible to some extent for the lot of black South Africans after all most of us voted for the Nats from 1948 on. Yes I do know abouut it because I am from South Africa and my father decided to that the family shoud leave this was during the Apartheid days because he felt that things would get out of hand. We are Jewish now alot of Jews have left the last time I read it had been as high as 40%.

Don't you think that as whites having benifited from the system for so long that we owe the blacks somthing?

What I don't like is when some of these black South Africans inject politics into everthing and try and lay a guilt trip on me simply because of my origins and having a white skin. Since being over here in the USA and trying to build bridges and reach out to these blacks some of them have been very antaganistic to me,two of them have thrpwn drinks in my face and one of them who threw a drink in my face a few weeks later threatned and then tried to asault me at a Botswana party. Let me tell you when it happened one of the Botswana felows came to my aid wehen he did it and told him "don't bring your differences here". when the black South African told him refering to we whites that "they don't belong in Africa the Botswana guy told him "everyone is welcome here white,black" or somthing like that. Also at the same party there was a black South African who came to my aid but later told the Botswana people how he could not defend me because he was outnimbered by black South Africans who were against me. Now how can I be negative to these blacks who tried to help me out when there were blacks from the RSA who wanted to harm me? It is not easy being a white liberal.

Russell Fig
Brookline
USA

Date Posted: Thursday 21-Feb-2008
Russel, Its very easy for you to say that! The world only wants to see how poor these little blacks are and feel so sorry for them because they suffered so much in the Appartheid regime! They and the country were better off in the pre-1994 era! Now with the new regime they all get promised that theyll get running water and housing as well as electricity! Now they are unhappy and just like animals stand together against a common Enemy, the Whites!
So please dont let yourself out on something you know nothing of!!!!

LBS

Date Posted: Thursday 21-Feb-2008
Dear Mr. Fig from the USA
Have you ever been to South - Africa? Come to South_ Africa and come and see for yourself that it is not THAT EASY. I took my daugter and left, I am 35, tried my best to see things your way........ you do not know what you are talking about!

Christalle Efthymiou
Preveza
Greece

Date Posted: Thursday 14-Feb-2008
Ppet don't you think that your oment comes across as racist. Remember not all blacks just like all whites,coloureds and indians are iresponsible,never genralise about aperticular racial,ethnic,or religous group remember that people are people.

Not only this statements like this do not help racial relations in South Africa Apartheid is over so we should be trying to reach out to each other.

I know that seen you Afrikaners have been brought up believing that blacks are different from you that it is dificult for you to see this because most of you have never met a black person on the basis of equality. The only blacks whom most of you have met are your servants and other unskilled blacks. Be open to meeting educated blacks and your perceptions will change.

Russell Fig
Brookline USA.
USA.

Date Posted: Monday 11-Feb-2008
This is tipical. The government try to "please"their supporters and try to keep up to their promises, but they cannot even help themselves.

So they will govern this beautifull country, like the rest of Africa into ashes with nothing left.

Another bottomless pit with inhabitants who think the world owes them everything.

Parasitic race!

Piet B.