[Pic] Afrikaner Farmer gives in to Terrorism from tribe

Oct 1 2007 -- DURBAN. Jaap de Villiers, the Afrikaner farmer who is constantly being threatened with death and harassed with violent land invasions from a neighbouring Zulu tribe, has given in and will sell up.
says his situation has become so intolerable that he has reluctantly agreed to sell -- but only at a fair price.


(Picture: these armed tribesmen are constantly threatening the De Villiers family - note the Mugabe t-shirts they are wearing. Their body language on this picture is very clear - and this is what the De Villiers family have to endure 24 hours a day. These aren't idle threats -- seven Afrikaner and white English-speaking farmers have already been murdered in this one province alone since the start of this year. Two of the men suspected of murdering KZN farmer Andy Main in a violent farm attack were arrested only today.)

De Villiers´ farm is located near the Boer-era town of Vryheid - which means ´Freedom´named after the fact that this had been built enroute to the Boers´ establishment of the Transvaal republic.

"I can still take it ( the terrorism) but I have to think of my wife and children," Jaap de Villiers, 76, owner of the cattle farm Uitval said on Sunday. De Villiers, his wife Ester, 50, and their two sons, Jacob Paul, 13, and Jacob Hendrik, 9, live on the farm near Vryheid.

De Villiers' farm is surrounded on three sides by tribal land. King Bheki Zulu bought the other two farms from commercial farmers many years ago.

The Afrikaner said nobody had ever told him that 147 Zulu families had just recently filed a claim on a small section of his farm under the Land Reform Act. The claim was yet to be processed by the Department of Land Affairs but the tribesmen have showed up there repeatedly with aggressive behaviour, demanding that he vacate the farm at once.

De Villiers was not aware of the land claim at all and only heard it from the news media -- the Department of Land Affairs had never bothered to tell him about it. " They damaged my water pipes last week. They're trapping my cattle in snares. They start veld fires. I can take it, but if I'm no longer around, (i.e. if I am murdered) my family will suffer."

"They're trying to intimidate me so that I'll just say 'Take the land.' But I can't give up my whole life.
"I must replace my land. I must carry on farming. "If I don't get my fair price from the Department, I'm going to hang on. Then I'll have to get armed guards to patrol the farm."

"I carry my gun at all times... the future looks bleak'
A Land Affairs Department official had gone to the 'protestors' and 'told them to stop threatening De Villiers,' this report claims.
But De Villiers remained sceptical. "I carry my gun on my hip at all times. The future looks bleak."

Terrorised into selling the land against his will...
Agri SA's land affairs spokesperson, Annelize Crosby, said the situation was "causing concern: "The Department of Land Claims must prioritise this claim and examine its validity very closely. "The answer is not to allow people to pressurise this farmer into selling his farm against his will."

Crosby said this case illustrated the high level of frustration over the delays in settling land claims."People are now beginning to act illegally and that creates chaos and conflict."

Seven Afrikaner and white English-speaking farmers have already been murdered in this one province alone since the start of this year.

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My all time favourite movie quote is from the Dwarf in Lord of the Rings: "Certainty of death, small chance of success... what are we waiting for?"

Date Posted: Wednesday 25-Jun-2008
I wish to boycott companies who do business with South Africa. It is obviously a racist state. Please name a few.

Obvious

Date Posted: Monday 05-Nov-2007
Well done Norway! I think our friend Zende forgets that there are parts of this world that are not as sunny as Africa.
It really falls on how successful a nation is, doesn't it? But I guess that success can be measured in different ways. The white nations are definitely shrinking because of lifestyle and moral choices. We don't have those families of 6 or 7 kids anymore, but some nations do. Of course in the old days not many of those made it to adulthood because of diseases and wars and famines. And naturally white technology helped them to do that.

susan ramsay
Hong Kong
China

Date Posted: Monday 05-Nov-2007
Well done Norway! I think our friend Zende forgets that there are parts of this world that are not as sunny as Africa.
It really falls on how successful a nation is, doesn't it? But I guess that success can be measured in different ways. The white nations are definitely shrinking because of lifestyle and moral choices. We don't have those families of 6 or 7 kids anymore, but some nations do. Of course in the old days not many of those made it to adulthood because of diseases and wars and famines. And naturally white technology helped them to do that.

susan ramsay
Hong Kong
China

Date Posted: Monday 05-Nov-2007
You wouldn`t by any chance be refering to us Scandinavians Zende when you write the following?

"No! You come from a scientific creation known today as grafting. This is why white people find it hard to survive on this planet. Just like any other albino animal. White skin, straight blonde hair, and blue eyes will only cause the Sun to kill you faster on this planet. Why, because you weren’t created FOR this planet you were created IN it. This is why I said Get The Fuck Out of Afrika. Because, for White people to survive in Africa and anywhere else on this planet, you will destroy everything indigenous and natural in order to find a cure for your survival. But the only way for you to survive is to accept a Afro centric way of living. Go Green, and quit creating earth destroying "technology"."

I look around me, and I`m surrounded by people with white skin, straight blonde hair and blue eyes. I am very proud to say that these very same people have a lifestyle that is ranked number one in the world regarding quality of life. (HDI=Human developement index). Other Scandinavian countries, Iceland and Sweden, are also ranked in the top five.

So you can imagine Zende, that you claiming that we have no right to exist on this planet must be a joke. I mean, are you for real? You, like the rest of us, are a product of your circumstances, and in saying so, I have to accept your right to exsist on this planet.

White skin, straight blonde hair and blue eyes
Norway

Date Posted: Sunday 28-Oct-2007
Okay, I don't get it. What does "success" or "failure" have to do with anything? The fact is that there are millions upon millions of blacks in Africa and few whites. They outnumber the whites. Unless the whites are prepared to try genocide (which I'm sure they are not) there is nothing they can do to prevent domination by sheer weight of numbers. You can complain about that all you like but it's not going to change anything. Blacks run Africa, Whites are no longer in charge. Live with it, work with it, leave or die. Theh past is gone and it's not coming back.

susan ramsay
Hong Kong
China

Date Posted: Saturday 27-Oct-2007
Im sure many blacks are more intelligent than myself , however they had a opportunity to prove to the world there organizational skills etc. when they immigrated to Liberia in mass to escape the slave trade.Am I wrong to say that this failed as well.

ED BASELEY
VANCOUVER BC
CANADA

Date Posted: Saturday 27-Oct-2007
Suuuusan.Thank you for this so very mommy-advice.

adrianastuijt@knid.nl
Dokkum
the Netherlands

Date Posted: Friday 26-Oct-2007
The support of our past LIBERAL government to the ANC and blind loyalty to the corrupt UN. has now come home to roost.The major foundation for this thinking has been the UNIVERSITY training ground of socialist thinking begining in 1970 in CANADA.I am very sorry but not responsible for the so called elite.

ED BASELEY
VANCOUVER BC
CANADA

Date Posted: Friday 26-Oct-2007
Adriaana, as adults I think it's our choice as to whether or not we reply to Zende. If you don't like this thread...skip over it.

susan ramsay
Hong Kong
China

Date Posted: Friday 26-Oct-2007
I thought this fake blogger who calls himself Zende had now retired to the middle-east or some equally utopian place, and left his library-computer at some blacks-only university at the American East-coast?
Can we please recognise the fact that he's not worth replying to and move on?

adrianastuijt@knid.nl
Dokkum
the Netherlands

Date Posted: Friday 26-Oct-2007
I thought this fake blogger who calls himself Zende had now retired to the middle-east or some equally utopian place, and left his library-computer at some blacks-only university at the American East-coast?
Can we please recognise the fact that he's not worth replying to and move on?

adrianastuijt@knid.nl
Dokkum
the Netherlands

Date Posted: Thursday 25-Oct-2007
Just a response to Zende.

Well Zende it seems I must have annoyed you the most -you started one paragraph by repeating my name 3 times.

First of all you are quoting from biased & incomplete sources. The fact that the dictionary definition is "owned by White Europeans" does not mean that all white people accept the definition as stipulated. Furthermore the quote on the Boers comes straight from Wikipedia. Nuff said. I once placed the non White ancestry of the Boers there, but it was since removed. There are a number of sources which note the partial Indian / Malay & Khoi origins of the Boers & White Afrikaners in general. Therefore your citing of biased & incomplete definitions does not negate the fact concerning their full national & ethnic origins. Furthermore consulting a dictionary or even an encyclopedia does not fully define a given topic.

"Now Ron Palmer based on the definitions of African And European, which one is closer to the original Boer people? "

Once again you are attempting to pigeonhole an entire cultural & ethnic group with your attempts at forcing them into one category by providing only two stark choices. It a little like using Mafia strong arm tactics to reach a desired conclusion. The fact of the matter is (& something you try hard to avoid) is that the Boers do not sit squarely into one category or the other.

I am well aware that the San people (its San not Sans furthermore the San people find it an offensive term & prefer to be called Kung people)[1] are indigenous & even the aboriginal people of the Kalahari Desert. I was simply reflecting the finding that many Boers occupied sections of the Kalahari Desert apparently before the Khoisan did. Therefore considering this scenario it could not be entirely wrong to view them as the aboriginals of certain areas of the desert.

Note.

1. H.J. and Janette Deacon, Human beginnings in South Africa, 1999.

"Can you please explain to everyone, what part of the EARTH were the Boers occupying 22,000 years ago? "

Good Grief Zende. Certainly even you can understand the absurdity of asking such an obtuse question. For one thing there were no Boers 22 000 years ago.

When you asked about the colour of criminals: I presumed you were talking about the media coverage (which routinely neglects to mention when the perpetrators are non White) not the All Points Bulletin which is a totally different matter as they have to mention race for descriptive reasons.

"What is the definition of Aboriginal? And according to this definition are the Boer People Aboriginal to Afrika?"

Now you are once again getting into some very tricky & complicated matters. The ancestors of the Boer people might have came to Africa via the VOC but the Boer people are in fact indigenous (though not always aboriginal) to Africa as the Boer people were FORMED on African soil out of the various diverse groups which were dumped there by the VOC.

"Were the Moors free Black Africans or were they slaves of the Arabs who forced them to subscribe to the dogma of Islam?"

O so I see the "Arabs made them do it" under the guise of Islam then.

"What the hell is a “Black European" or a "Black American"? Is this a race, or Nationalism?"

It is obviously both. Good grief you ask some rather obtuse questions.

"And does Europe and America treat both like shit?"

Being treated badly by host countries' regimes does not negate the reality of Black Europeans & Black Americans. Therefore you argument holds no water. The Boers themselves were treated badly by the various colonial governments (some of which also attempted not to recognize them) yet their existence as White Africans was an established & empirical fact.

"Does the Chinese Government and society recognize Black Africans babies born in China as Chinese only."

So your a Statist too? The point is that it is irrelevant if governments recognize cultural or ethnic realities. If Black Chinese people exist then that it a reality unto itself regardless if the GOVERNMENT (who cares what governments think) chooses no to recognize them as such. The same way you choose not to recognize the cultural & ethnic reality of White Africans despite the fact of their long existence. So in your bizarre world a cultural group only exists if a government recognizes it. I can not believe that a Black American is actually making this argument.

"Do the Colossal Olmec heads of the pre Columbian peoples in America look Asian or Black African?"

Well once again you are getting into complicated matters. I am well aware of the "Black African" looking features of some structures in South America. What is your point though? Are you suggesting that the Black people are native to the Americas or that they traveled there in the ancient past.

"During the apartheid era in SA, in order to keep divisions and maintain a race-focused society, there were four main racial groups identified by Law:"

Apartheid was not necessarily about keeping divisions & maintaining a "race-focused society" (the cultural divisions were more pronounced than the racial divisions) as it was a half hearted attempted at dealing with the various divisions without giving up White self determination. Such as it was.

"Which group were the White Boer people classified into and which were the Khoisan?"

If you had done you homework you would have known that the racial classification system was arbitrary & even downright ambiguous as numerous individuals were changing racial classifications all the time. There were countless examples of formerly classified Coloured persons being reclassified as White. The former government was not into racial purity as much as they were into growing their White constituency. So long as the person in question were assimilable into the various White South African cultures.

"if all White Africans and Boers copulate with Black Africans they will no longer exist within 3 generations? "

Once again you are making sweeping presumptions. If Boers happen to intermarry with Black Africans it does not necessarily stand to reason that the Boers as a cultural group would no longer exist. After all there are Brown Afrikaans speaking mixed race cultural groups known as Basters & Griquas which are the offshoot of offspring between Boers & other White people with Khoi & other non White people.

"where do white people come from?"

I doubt that this is the whole point of your entry into this site -but suffice it to say no one can truly answer this question. How could anyone? Their existence stretches far back into the past. The nonsensical tripe you post is speculation at best & disinformation at worst.

Furthermore: Albinos do occur naturally as noted here by others.

The White people though are not albinos as there are albinos among the White people themselves. So even your theory is wrong.

"Just like Albino Hueman Beings weren’t found in abundance in nature 8,000 years ago."

This is a shockingly sweeping statement that has no evidence to support it.

"because you weren’t created FOR this planet"

This is a most ridiculous statement since the White people have been outperforming the other races for some time now.

"But the only way for you to survive is to accept a Afro centric way of living. Go Green, and quit creating earth destroying "technology"."

What an interesting statement. Do you realize what you have now just stepped into? This shows how much you do not know about the early Boer people as the Trekboers did indeed "accept an Afro centric way of living" when they were trekking / migrating towards the eastern & northern frontiers adopting the ways of the Khoisan living in similar round single room houses & preserving the food & water in animal skins. Historians have noted that the Trekboers were "going native" to use their term.

Adapting and Adopting the Native Lifestyle.



For these ancestors in this harsh world, it was a matter of adapt or die. Their food included biltong (jerky), boerbeskuit (dried rusks). Jams with a lot of sugar - it helps to preserve. Sour and butter milk was enjoyed, rather practical since they had no fridge's. Melkkos was made out of milk. They even baked the old bread in order to preserve it. The animals they had were the native fat tail sheep, in the better vegetation areas they acquired the native Nguni cattle, which later breeds like the Afrikander came from. The donkey were ideal for this harsh type of climate, everyone had some of them.



The other forms of dwelling were constructed from the environment, they had to use what was available. Some houses were constructed of stone, see photo of poor white and their home (23k). Other houses were constructed of mud and dung like the natives see photo of house similar to blacks (12k). Here is a photo of a white herder's home (13k). Little hartebees homes were used where reeds and sticks would be covered by mud and dung, see photo of a house (13k). The wagon and tent were the permanent home for some and for all on trek. The housing was at times a cross between all the mentioned and one would find it hard to classify under which category the dwelling did fall, see photo of wagon and conglomerate shelter (9k). Further west in the Namaqualand they had matjies huts, see photo of poor whites matjies house (12k), here is another photo of father and child at their Namaqua matjies home (13k) (these photos come from the Carnegie Report on the Poor Whites from the early twentieth Century which gives an account of the types of housing, which would have existed.). The later thus adopted the Hottentot's form of dwelling, see painting of Hottentot assembling their matjies house (24k). These huts were easy to transport and provided excellent ventilation in the heat. Lastly it is not often recognized that the making of biltong was first practised by the Hottentot, refer to Sparrman. The trekboer's also followed the practise of the Khoikhoi in storing their milk in skin sacks. Both in their manners and appearance they resembled more the Hottentots.




They made their own leather shoes, and leather thongs were used instead of ropes. Karos blankets consisting of sown together animal skins, were part of their bedding. No wonder some outsiders expressed the concern that these people were going native. They even would wear leather clothes. The floor was their bed until some big game was killed and its skin was then fasten to a couple of bars on posts which was driven into the floor. Where there was a lack of feathers they would use club-rushes which was then scraped off and their mattresses were stuffed with it, this was good for two years. With lack of fire wood dried dung was used for fire. A hollowed out termite mound became their oven. All these circumstances contributed to that characterestic of being very independent: " 'n Boer maak 'n plan", thus they were their own carpenter, their own smith, they made their own furniture, making their own clothes and shoes, essentially being self sufficient. They had little and needed little. Their economy was one mainly of, bartering and living of the land. It is interesting to compare these nomads with other nomadic peoples.(29) They became so much part of Africa that they wanted to be called Afrikaners, thus distinguishing themselves from the townspeople of Cape Town. Self reliance became a virtue and they did not want laws imposed on them.

Date Posted: Friday 12-Oct-2007
Well my dear people, my time in a America has come to a conclusion. My studies are complete and now I'm off to the Mediterranean.

I know most of you think the statements I made are outlandish and without merit; but I challenge you all to do the research for yourself. I have no intentions of mis-leading anyone. If I am wrong then I accept that and try to get a better understanding to be well informed.

Don't be afraid to accept a challenge when someone is questioning what you believe in. If it is true, then it will hold up to any scrutiny. But if what you believe is leaving some questions unanswered, then you owe it to yourself to seek and find what is right.

I wish you all peace, love, and happiness.

Hotep

Zende
Atlanta
USA

Date Posted: Wednesday 10-Oct-2007
I've catagorically stated in my previous comment that I am not going to continue dialog with the likes of ZENDE, and see how he refuses to get the message and back off.

He clearly is hell bent on attempting to force his illogical beliefs and notions down my throat, and HE is the one calling ME a BIGGOT, (crazy)!

So this is not in response to his, hopefully final, assault on myself & members of AFC who DARE oppose his contradictory (illogical or inconsistant) writings and concepts.

If a person writes on 3 October, (as he did), "We (meaning him),believe in seeing people as God's creation", and on 9 October contradicts himself by writing,... "I do not subscribe to any religious doctirine", I can only deduct from this that,
1. He is not in command of the English language or,
2. He suffers from memory loss, not remebering what he had written in previous arguments,
EITHER WAY HE HASN'T A CLUE WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT.

I wonder at which institution in America he is "studying", cannot be Higher Learning because one needs to be intelligent and also capable of retaining information (one should be able to remeber what one had said).

Zende has satisfied me completely now that he is not very bright, I have previously questioned his IQ.
As I have said before, he is arrogant and rude as well.

HE IS DEAD & BURIED as far as I am concerned, I shall make no mention of his name ever again.
It was fun though.

Take note Zende, I said, WAS.

estelle
PE
SA

Date Posted: Wednesday 10-Oct-2007
I would appreciate it very much if we could please ignore Zende from now on and especially his self-important but grossly inaccurate view of 'history'. It's not worth responding to this person who sits and wastes everybody's time at a university computer when he should be studying. In the USA there's a great deal of apartheid, especially when it comes to universities.

They even have universities ONLY for blacks such as Hare and many, many others, mainly because so many blacks cannot compete scholartically at university-level in the USA with other compatriots that they need to be cuddled in their own cozy little "African American" jive-talk isolationist environments where they learn nothing but hatred, such as this kind of rubbish handed out by Zende.

Moreover, these self-important African American 'scholars' -- while condemning apartheid in South Africa -- still do not find it s at all strange to have apartheid-universities of their own.

adrianastuijt@knid.nl
Dokkum
the Netherlands

Date Posted: Wednesday 10-Oct-2007
Zende

Don't you understand that you are making a fool of yourself going on about this albinism? Without being nasty, it really is unrealistic and I’m also sorry to burst your bubble you don't have any wit and will never have. That comes with intellect. Don't you realize you are making a complete fool of yourself with your foolishness?
If you would spend any time on evolution you would see for yourself there are many different theories (none completely proven) but your stories dos not ad up .
Stop doing this to yourself. The more you write the more you confirm your stupidity. After your first post you at least had people thinking a bit, but now it is getting boring. Are you a lonely individual or what? Or masochistic in a way that you like being belittled.
Here is a little info about evolution.:

Species Lived when (may) Lived where Adult length (m) Adult weight (kg) Brain volume (cm³) Fossil record Discovery /
publication of name
H. habilis 2.5–1.4 East Africa 1.0–1.5 30–55 600 many 1960/1964
H. rudolfensis 1.9 Kenya 1 skull 1972/1986
H. georgicus 1.8–1.6 Georgia 600 few 1999/2002
H. ergaster 1.9–1.25 East and Southern Africa 1.9 700–850 many 1975
H. erectus 2–0.3 Africa, Eurasia (Java, China, Vietnam, Caucasus) 1.8 60 900–1100 many 1891/1892
H. cepranensis 0.8 Italy 1 skull cap 1994/2003
H. antecessor 0.8–0.35 Spain, England 1.75 90 1000 3 sites 1994/1997
H. heidelbergensis 0.6–0.25 Europe, Africa 1.8 60 1100–1400 many 1907/1908
H. rhodesiensis 0.3–0.12 Zambia 1300 very few 1921
H. neanderthalensis 0.23–0.024 Europe, West Asia 1.6 55–70 (heavily built) 1200–1700 many 1829/1864
H. sapiens sapiens 0.25–present worldwide 1.4–1.9 55–80 1000–1850 still living —/1758
H. sapiens idaltu 0.16 Ethiopia 1450 3 craniums 1997/2003
H. floresiensis 0.10–0.012 Indonesia 1.0 25 400 7 individuals 2003/2004


You see there were many different origins of the present modern human. But all based on different arciological find of individuals. Thus it is all theories. There is no proof that modern humans and the primitive sub specie of witch you belong to even originated from the same point in history. You are welcome to speculate about anything you want, but mention it is your opinion and don’t say it is fact unless you have proof. Being an American I can understand your mind must be clouded with propaganda and you don’t know the difference any more! Please crawl back under the rock you came from.

Fanie

Date Posted: Wednesday 10-Oct-2007
Susan my studies in America are coming to a close, so yes, I will be leaving.

As far as responding to estelle. You are too brainwashed by European doctrine to discuss these topics. Plus you are a bigot. Read your first comment posted on Wednesday 03-Oct-2007.

Your mind is so closed that you tried to make a valid point about Albinism by saying: " Albinism occurred in black races as well, far back in history, long before these people had ANY contact with White people." I've already given the definition of Albinism twice so what the hell are you talking about?

The Albinos that occurred in the black races were ISOLATED and only allowed to "BREED" with other Albinos. This IN-BREEDING process carried on for Hundreds of years until the Black Traits were "GRAFTED" out. This is how the white race was created.

In fact, This is the same process that the Australians tried to do with the mixed-race Aborigines. They wouldn't let the mixed-race aborigines copulate with the dark aborigines in an effort to exterminate the Dark aborigines. Read the book "Follow the Rabbit-Proof Fence" by Doris Pilkington Garimara, or rent and watch the movie "Rabbit Proof Fence" which was based on the book.

Furthermore, where did I say that Albinism only dealt with the European race EXCLUSIVELY?
You are letting your emotions of hearing the truth for the first time distort your ability to read exactly what is written. Get a grip. It's not the end of the world. But keep Researching for YOUR SELF. It's the Path to Enlightenment.

Hotep

Zende
Atlanta
USA

Date Posted: Tuesday 09-Oct-2007
Wat weet toringdokter? Is het een medisyne of verdoof?

Heer Z. is weet sowaar belangwekkend maar hy is dof. Hy is vreemd, ja? Maar ook Heer Palmer is baie blind-kwaai.

Do you say your "w" like "v" in bevolk?

I think Shakespeare would have a lot of things to say about our times and even this above article!

Ek is lief vir jou?
Well that is a nice way of saying it.
Dankie. Jy gemaak me rooi aan het gesig. Is that the right reply or is that an insult?

That is the problem with composing a foreign language; your compliment might actually be an insult.

goeie nag

J.
La Florida

Date Posted: Tuesday 09-Oct-2007
ZENDE!

This person Zende claims that White people are in fact Albino's.

I have done some research, (something he should do). Albinism occurs in all races and has squat to do with European race EXCLUSIVELY.

There are Chinese Albino's, Aboriginal Australian Albino's, European Albino's, etc. etc. etc. (I have seen the evidence).
Albinism occurred in black races as well, far back in history, long before these people had ANY contact with White people.

SO!, Albinism is an abnormality, found in all races, like e.g Downs syndrome.

I will not be responding to ZENDE'S worthless contributions from now on any longer, to me he is simply arrogant and uninformed.

AND VERY RUDE.

estelle
PE
SA

Date Posted: Tuesday 09-Oct-2007
So, Zende, you'll be leaving America, will you?

Susan Ramsay
Hong Kong
China

Date Posted: Tuesday 09-Oct-2007
I agree with adriana....

Fanie

Date Posted: Tuesday 09-Oct-2007
Ag nee mense. Die volgende ou wat reageer op Zende se twak gaan ek spesaal by die toringdokter laat be-muti. Kom ons los die vent uit - laat hom in sy eie agtertuin gaan speel.

adrianastuijt@knid.nl
Dokkum
the Netherlands

Date Posted: Tuesday 09-Oct-2007
Okay, here we go again. Just can’t leave well enough alone. All right let’s deal with it. First let me start by saying that you can go back and read every comment I posted, and you will not see me calling anyone any kind of racial slur. I think it’s childish to do that when you’re trying to have an intelligent debate. Further more, no “supposedly” superior race should have to demean any other race to prove their superiority. Shouldn’t intelligent verbal expression be more advanced than your destructive technology that kill people who don’t agree with you? So with the exception of Susan Ramsay and Ron Palmer, I wish the rest of you would try to have a rebuttal that isn’t so childishly emotional because another’s opinion is challenging your belief system. If someone is more superior and intelligent we seek to find and learn from him or her. But we despise someone telling us they are more superior and forcing that belief system on us: Hueman Nature.


Now, Ron Palmer, Ron Palmer, Ron Palmer!!! You are about to get pulled out of the Matrix and into the world of the real. You make the claim that the Boer People are Afrikan or African, it really doesn’t matter how you spell it because European definition sees dark skin in both spellings. And so strongly stated: “The term African HAS GOT NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH GENETICS!!!!!!” *** It must be noted that the terms and science I’m discussing is what White Europeans have established. *** It is the European that separated people based on skin color. This is what the Europeans have told the whole world that they’ve colonized is correct. With that said, let’s look at the definition of an African according to www.dictionary.com, which is owned by White Europeans.

Af·ri·can - [af-ri-kuhn]
-adjective
1. Also, Africa. of or from Africa; belonging to the black peoples of Africa
–noun
2. a native or inhabitant of Africa.
3. (loosely) a black or other person of African ancestry.

IF THIS IS WRONG, WHY HAVE EUROPEANS BEEN ACCEPTING THIS AS FACT AND TELLING THE WORLD THIS FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. IF THE TERM AFRICAN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GENETICS, WHY ARE THERE SUCH TERMS AS “AFRICAN AMERICAN”, “AFRO-EUROPEAN”, AND “AFRICAN-AUSSIE”? WHY AREN’T THE BLACK PEOPLE BORN IN EUROPE, AMERICA, AND AUSTRALIA CALLED EUROPEAANS OR AMERICAANER, OR AUSTRALIANDERS? HELL, WHY AREN’T THEY JUST CALLED EUROPEAN, AMERICAN, OR AUSTRALIAN. SINCE YOU’RE SAYING THAT YOU ARE AFRICAN BECAUSE YOU WERE BORN THERE. WHY CAN’T THE BLACK PEOPLE BORN IN THESE COUNTRIES TAKE THE SAME NAME AS THE WHITES? YET, THERE IS NO TERM CALLED EURO-AFRICAN, BUT AFRIKAANDERS. SLOWLY TRYING TO STEAL THE AFRICAN BIRTH RIGHT. Let’s look at European and Boer.

Eu·ro·pe·an – [yoor-uh-pee-uh n]
–adjective
1. of or pertaining to Europe or its inhabitants.
2. native to or derived from Europe: traditional European customs; European languages.
–noun
3. a native or inhabitant of Europe.
4. a person of European descent.
5. (in East Africa and Asia) a white person; Caucasian.

Boers: The Trekboere, as they were originally known, are descended mainly from Dutch Calvinist, Flemish and Frisian Calvinist as well as French Huguenot, and German Protestant origins dating from the 1650s and into the 1700s. Minor numbers of Scandinavians, Portuguese, Italian, Spanish, Polish, Scots, English, Irish and Welsh people were absorbed as well.

*** It must be noted that the terms and science I’m discussing is what White Europeans have established.***

Now Ron Palmer based on the definitions of African And European, which one is closer to the original Boer people?

Maybe these definitions aren’t clear enough. So, since you said I’m making this a black and white issue, let’s look at the definition of those words too.

*** It must be noted that the terms and science I’m discussing is what White Europeans have established.***

BLACK:
3. pertaining or belonging to any of the various populations characterized by dark skin pigmentation, specifically the dark-skinned peoples of Africa, Oceania, and Australia.

WHITE:
3. (of human beings) marked by slight pigmentation of the skin, as of many Caucasoids.

OH SHIT!!! There’s that word: “Human Beings”. (Remember, I told you what that meant in an earlier post. If you forgot, scroll down). Now Ron Palmer based on these two definitions, which one is closer to the original Boer people? Which is closer to the Sans people?

Now, either your intelligence is equal to a soggy dough nut, or you got some balls the size of grape fruits to let these words come out of your mind:

“The Boers in fact occupied a large section of the Kalahari Desert even before the Khoisans did for the simple reason that the Khoisans migrated along the coast & tended to stay there. It was not until the VOC arrived that they began to trek into the desert. Therefore it is perfectly correct to describe the Boer people as the aboriginal people of certain areas of the Kalahari desert.”

Your new name is officially Homer Simpson. I don’t like calling people names, because no one knows all the answers. And we all come into the light of truth at different times. But sometimes you have to verbally smack stupidity in the mouth when it tries to act intelligent. You really should have taken the blue pill and stayed in dream world. This is for you to explain Ron:

“The Sans people are INDIGENOUS people of the Kalahari Desert. Archaeological evidence suggests that they have lived in southern Africa (and probably other areas of Africa) for at least 22,000 years but probably much longer. Genetic evidence suggests they are ONE of the oldest, if not the oldest, peoples in the world”
Source:
National Geographic's Genographic Project — By the way, “white European owned”

READ IT AGAIN!!!

22,000 (THOUSAND) YEARS!!! You know Ron Palmer, ah forget it. READ IT AGAIN!!!

Ron Palmer, Ron Palmer, Ron Palmer!!!! DAMN!!!

I have some questions. Since you are so intelligent, please answer these questions for everyone who posted comments?

Can you please explain to everyone, what part of the EARTH were the Boers occupying 22,000 years ago?

Where were the white Afrikans or white Europeans 22,000 years ago?

When an African European or American male commits a crime why does the All Points Bulletin (APB) say be on the look out for a “Black” male, followed by height, weight, clothes or car description? Since you stated “When a crime is committed against a person SKIN COLOUR IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST of descriptions.”

What is the definition of Aboriginal? And according to this definition are the Boer People Aboriginal to Afrika?

Were the Moors free Black Africans or were they slaves of the Arabs who forced them to subscribe to the dogma of Islam?

What the hell is a “Black European" or a "Black American"? Is this a race, or Nationalism? And does Europe and America treat both like shit?

Does the Chinese Government and society recognize Black Africans babies born in China as Chinese only. Not Afro-Chinese or African Chinese? Susan Ramsay you’re in Hong Kong, maybe you can help him out on this one.

Do the Colossal Olmec heads of the pre Columbian peoples in America look Asian or Black African?

During the apartheid era in SA, in order to keep divisions and maintain a race-focused society, there were four main racial groups identified by Law: Blacks, Whites, Coloureds and Indians. Which group were the White Boer people
classified into and which were the Khoisan?

Where did I state that the Boer People colonized Africa?

Is it EMPIRICAL evidence that white skin, blonde hair, and blue eyes are recessive DNA traits? And is it EMPIRICAL evidence that if all White Africans and Boers copulate with Black Africans they will no longer exist within 3 generations?

Who is Yakub?

EVERYONE find the answers for your self and come back and compare them to Ron Palmer's.

Ron, I do not subscribe to any religious doctrine. So this is not about religion.
The question you’re having trouble answering along with everyone else on this blog is where do white people come from? Simple. You come from a genetic experiment known as grafting which produced Albinos. Albinism is a genetic mutation of DNA found in people and animals of normal pigmentation. This “RARELY” occurs naturally. Or you can make it occur by committing the biggest taboo known as IN-BREEDING. White Mice and Rabbits are not found in abundance in nature because they can’t survive due to their weak genetic traits, but were created in a laboratory. Just like Albino Hueman Beings weren’t found in abundance in nature 8,000 years ago. So, where did all these white people come from if someone wasn’t purposely creating them, just like the laboratory mice and rabbits?

You have been lied to by your elite European scientist because they don’t want you to know the truth about your history. You don’t come from apes, and you don’t come from Africans who migrated north and lost the pigment in their skin because they weren’t exposed to the sun. And you don’t come from aliens from another planet. No! You come from a scientific creation known today as grafting. This is why white people find it hard to survive on this planet. Just like any other albino animal. White skin, straight blonde hair, and blue eyes will only cause the Sun to kill you faster on this planet. Why, because you weren’t created FOR this planet you were created IN it. This is why I said Get The Fuck Out of Afrika. Because, for White people to survive in Africa and anywhere else on this planet, you will destroy everything indigenous and natural in order to find a cure for your survival. But the only way for you to survive is to accept a Afro centric way of living. Go Green, and quit creating earth destroying "technology".

It’s too late to take the blue pill now.

Until next time. Hotep

Zende
Atlanta
USA

Date Posted: Tuesday 09-Oct-2007
Willie Wikkelspies het ook 'n woord of twee in te bring hier, Estelle!

adrianastuijt@knid.nl
Dokkum
the Netherlands

Date Posted: Tuesday 09-Oct-2007
Dear J from La Florida

Verjaar - Birthday
Hartseer - Sad
Daaroor - About (To write about something)
Geskryf - Wrote
Duiwel - Devil
Just a few more words and you will be a perfect AFRIKANER my dear, keep it up!!!
Ek is lief vir jou - I love you
Ek het respek vir Amerikaners - I respect the Americans

Kind regards
Estelle

estelle
PE
SA

Date Posted: Monday 08-Oct-2007
Estelle my aangenaam ster, vir die uilskuiken Amerikaner jou woorde weet de Nederlanders van de Duivel.

And for a person who can barely speak one language, this was an adventure!

What do "harsteer", "geskryf", "daaroor", and "verjaar" mean?

Heer J. van de Land van Blomme Paasfees

J
La Florida

Date Posted: Monday 08-Oct-2007
Zende is a idiot.

John
Perth
Australia

Date Posted: Monday 08-Oct-2007
Beste Estelle
Baie dankie vir die vriendelike woorde. Jou afstammeling is pure Boere-adel!

adrianastuijt@knid.nl
Dokkum
the Netherlands

Date Posted: Monday 08-Oct-2007
Liewe Adriana

Baie dankie vir die inligting. Ek het kennis daarvan maar dit is goed dat jy dit noem sodat ander ook kennis neem.
Ek is n Afrikaner en baie trots om een te wees. Ek is n direkte afstammeling van Andries, Hendrik Potgieter.
My oupa en lede van ons gesin was ook huis vriende met die Prellers, Gustav Preller, een van sy agterkleinkinders, Mauritz Preller, was n baie goeie en liewe vriend van my. Ons altwee verjaar ook net 7 dae uit mekaar. Mauritz is so jaar en n paar maande gelede oorlede, n baie hartseer dag in my lewe. Jy sal dan weet dat Gustav Preller baie geskryf het oor die Afrikaner se geskiedenis hier in Suid Afrika.
Miskien kan jy vir ons n oulike artikel daaroor skryf.
Ek wil jou ook bedank vir die goeie werk wat jy doen op AFC. Jou artikels is baie insigewend en baie interesant. Dankie vir jou harde werk.

estelle
PE
SA

Date Posted: Sunday 07-Oct-2007
adrianastuijt from the Netherlands and estelle from South Africa, thank you both for your information and your pleasent conversations.

J.
La Florida

Date Posted: Sunday 07-Oct-2007
Dear Estelle - pertaining to Afrikaan. This word is used in DUTCH to denote someone from Afrika. The very earliest Cape of Good Hope residents after 1652 who started using the Afrikaans language in books and newspapers referred to themselves as "Afrikaanders' and this referred to both whites and mixed-race people. They did this to differentiate themselves from the higher-classes who spoke and wrote only what was referred to as 'high-Dutch" and looked down their noses at people who spoke Afrikaans. The word Afrikaander in fact was 'invented' by these very first Afrikaans-language writers who were muslim slave-descendants and who translated texts from the Q'uran in Afrikaans. The very first book ever published in Afrikaans therefore was the Q'uran. These people themselves referred to themselves as "Afrikaanders". This later became "Afrikaners" and does still refer to Afrikaans-speakers to this day - and does not indicate their race.

However the Boers who trekked away into the hinterland, never referred to themselves as "Afrikaners" even though they accepted that the spoke "Afrikaans", they continued to read the Bible in high-Dutch at church services. It's all rather confusing but it has to do with the fact that the Afrikaanders at the Cape and the Boers have different histories because one group moved away and founded several independent Republics while another group remained in the Cape while also fighting for their language-rights - and this language they shared was Afrikaans.

For a while people in the Transvaal and Orange-Free State Republics were independent and referred to themselves as "Boers' even though many weren't farmers. Many also referred to their language as die Taal or Boertaal. The Boers have always viewed themselves as different from the Afrikaners at the Cape. After they were defeated by the British, the Boers suddenly were no longer allowed to refer to themselves as Boers, but were forced to join the ethnic-identity of the Afrikaners of whom many had fought with the British and many of whom were given farms as a reward. These Afrikaners generally dominated in the Afrikaner-Broederbond and were very insistent on always suppressing the Boer identity and also the Boers' history.

adrianastuijt@knid.nl
Dokkum
the Netherlands

Date Posted: Sunday 07-Oct-2007
Zende from Atlanta, you are the one who is confused, VERY confused.

Firstly, Black hair looks, and especially feels NOTHING like Lambs wool (as you describe it).
It feels rather like a pot scourer.

Secondly, I as a White person born on the African continent have automatic and gauranteed birthright HERE, and have stuffall to do with any part or anything of Europe... 'Ek is n Afrikaan',(Afrikaner).
I am an African.

I am a White African and my fellow Black countrymen are Black Africans.

Whites in Brazil are not referred to as Europeans BUT Brazilians, NOT SO?

estelle
PE
SA

Date Posted: Sunday 07-Oct-2007
This is to J. from La Florida.

You are quite informed as it is clear from your comment, you however need to be corrected on one point that you have made.

There is no such word as Afrikan. The word to describe White people from European stock, born in SA, is Afrikaan.

Just thought I'd let you know.

estelle
PE
SA

Date Posted: Saturday 06-Oct-2007
Good Lord Zende you are once sick & twisted person. I just read the final paragraph of your shockingly bigoted rant & am tempted to think that you are in an insane asylum as you outlandishly asserted that your race "created" the White race. Man alive -even the White supremacists do not go around claiming that they created the races. This is not just pseudo science but it absolute madness. This is the exact nonsense that the radical Nation of Islam sect espouse -but it is a mythology which is not supposed to be taken literally fool. The notion that a "mad scientist created" the White race is supposed to be a METAPHOR for the notion that the Black people allowed themselves to be "manipulated" by the White race. Then you claim the White race is a "cancer" despite the historical record which notes how much they have advanced the human race as a whole. Good Lord. I know there are those who believe that the White race is from Mars (& elsewhere) -but this is the first time I have seen someone openly admit that they believe that their forebears "created" the White race. Time to check you medication.

Ron Palmer.

Date Posted: Saturday 06-Oct-2007
Considering that final telling paragraph in Zende's post of Oct 3 I think it is fair to say that he has just lost all credibility now. I thought he was just a run of the mill ignorant Black Nationalist but this outlandish anti White madness goes well beyond bigotry into the realm of mythology pseudo religious revisionism aimed at scapegoating an entire race based on a cult.

Ron Palmer.

Date Posted: Saturday 06-Oct-2007
Well Zenede you are promoting all the old canards & lies concerning the White Afrikaans people. For one thing the Boers did not colonize as they are a homegrown ethnic group which moved mainly into unoccupied areas or simply displaced the Khoisan peoples. What you are doing is blaming the indigenous Boers for the actions of the Dutch East India Company & other colonial powers who did indeed set up an "establishment" but the Boer people always tried to get away from them & from colonialism. Then you pull a tricky little stunt by attempting to foist the ills of the early White Americans onto the Early White Africans by making insinuating comparisons. For one thing if you had done you history you would have known that the Khoisans who died out from small pox did so as a result of the Indian slaves who were imported by the Dutch East Indian Company - not from "infested blankets" which were alleged to have been used against the native Americans.

When a crime is committed against a person SKIN COLOUR IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST of descriptions. Except of course where the perpetrator is White & the victim is Black then the media has no problem with mentioning colour. Once again I notice your slimy little trick in insinuating that the Boer people & even the White Afrikans people in general are somehow guilty of the crimes of the European powers. The same European powers which oppressed the Boers! Then you state: "If you get bit in the ass by 3 different type of snakes, I guarantee you will have no pity for the fourth one, no matter what type it is." So basically you are admitting that just because the Boers have White skin (or rather Whiter than other Africans) that you have already judged them guilty as being "European colonizers" despite the fact that they were & are not.

Then you state another falsehood: "You will NEVER here (sic) a a person of European decent being described as "Aboriginal". Of course you will. The Boers in fact occupied a large section of the Kalahari Desert even before the Khoisans did for the simple reason that the Khoisans migrated along the coast & tended to stay there. It was not until the VOC arrived that they began to trek into the desert. Therefore it is perfectly correct to describe the Boer people as the aboriginal people of certain areas of the Kalahari desert.

The Boers are certainly aboriginal to the Western Cape in relation to the Bantus who did not settle there until well into the 19 cent when it was then under British colonial rule.

I used the Khoisan people in my point to demonstrate that your racist "land of the Blacks" comment would exclude the original inhabitants of much of Africa -the very people who were themselves colonized & decimated by the Black people you erroneously assert are the only Africans. I did not use the Boers in the example since it should be obvious that if you exclude the Khoisan people from being African (which the "land of the Blacks" comment does) then you would certainly exclude the Boer people just because most of their distant ancestors came from Europe & Asia while only a small percentage were originally from Africa when the VOC arrived. What a hypocrite! You have some nerve to suggest I should read (or rather re-read) the stages of genocide when you are advocating this very thing against a people you do not even admit are African!!!!! This is how genocide starts -by asserting that a given people are not even entitled to be in their own land or to even exist as the Africans that they are & have historically been. The hypocrisy on your part is just astounding.

Then there was this obtuse gem. "I want you to tell me what European COUNTRY has be subjected to these 8 steps by any people indigenous to Afrika." I guess you have never heard of the Moors then. What do you think the Moors were doing in Europe? Then concerning the pre Columbian peoples you incredulously ask: "Please explain Where is "elsewhere"?" The historical record notes that the pre Columbian peoples in America which were encountered by the European colonial powers were originally from Asia. It is clear that history is not your strong point.

Then another incredulous gem: "What the hell is a White African?" Those people of mainly a White ethnic origin who have been in Africa for 355 years & who began to regard themselves as Africans as early as the late 1600s. The first reported public reference to a White African referring to himself as an African was a one Hendrik Biebouw (from the French Biedault) in 1707. It is just simply not intellectually honest to call White Africans "Europeans" when they have long since been cut from Europe (& were even expelled from Europe) isolated in Africa & have been African for hundreds of years now. The Boer people began to cut their ties to Europe very early on & certainly by the time they began to trek inland during the late 1600s. Furthermore: there are White Africans of distant Portuguese origin who have been in Africa even longer -about 500 years now- than the White Afrikaans peoples.

Can anyone imagine the uproar is one were to ask: "what the hell is a Black European" or "a Black American". Zende here would be the first to spout off how the question would be a racist slur yet he thinks he can make racial slurs against people he does not like just because they have White skin & are native to Southern Africa.

Then you state: "steal the black man's birth right." Well this is precisely what the Black people have been doing to the Khoisan people for generations. And continue to do in Botswana where the government is expropriating the traditional lands of the San living there. Furthermore: the fact that there are White Africans in Africa does not for one second "steal" anyone's "birthright" since White Africans are just a fact of life. Just as there are White Australians & White Americans. No one denies the right of the White people in those places to be referred to as Australians or Americans yet for some bizarre reason you deny the existence of White Africans. No. When people refer to African people it is not presumed that the people in question are only of Congoid extraction -which is what you are arguing. The fact of the matter is that there have long since been Africans of Arab / Berber / Indian / Khoisan & White ethnic origin in Africa & all of these people are all Africans The term African is a GEOGRAPHICAL term you dimwit. Not a "racial" term. People are African by virtue of where there culture / communities & history is from & basically where they live. Not from a bizarre racial criteria you have concocted.

Another racist gem: "If an Afrikan (Black) man and woman have a baby in China, is the child Chinese? No! " This just proves to the whole world how much of a racist that you are since of course the child in question could certainly be Chinese especially if the child is part of a homegrown culture which developed there or became assimilated into one which is. The White Africans particularly the Boer people are a homegrown culture & ethnic group which sprung up on African soil long before the European colonial powers even came to the region. The VOC was not a proper colonial power but was a private corporation.

Another obtuse & racist point by Zende: "So just because some europeans settled in Afrika and started a colony doesn't make them Afrikan." Wrong! First of all the Boer people are not European & did not start a "colony". The Boers & the White Afrikaans people in general got started as a people from the group which emerged from the various disparate peoples the VOC dumped at the Cape. This group can not even be considered European in genetic origin as a significant number of these early arrivals took Indian / Malay or Khoi spouses which produced mixed race children who were absorbed into the emerging indigenous White Afrikaans communities. The language they developed was greatly influenced from non-European peoples & is today considered the most developed African language.

The following excerpt is from researcher Andre van Rensburg. "Like the biblical Eva she can be considered to be the 'stammoeder' of the Afrikaner (at least mine). Her union in marriage with Pieter van Meerhoff was the commencement of the Afrikaner, having their roots in Europe but they are also the seed of Africa."

From: My Genetic Enrichment.

Another historical note from a one Alistair Boddy-Evans: a history and science writer based near Cape Town in South Africa: " The first documented marriage between European settler and a slave was in 1656 at the Cape. Jan Woutersz married Catherine of Bengal – Jan was a caretaker on Robben Island and the family lived without discrimination in the community."

Therefore even if one was to employ your ridiculous genetic definition of who is an African & who is not: the Boers & Afrikaners would still escape definition as a strictly White or "European" group due to their noted significant non-European genetic roots.

The White Afrikaans peoples can even be described as the lighter coloured branch of the mixed race populations. Though White & Black Nationalists alike would likely reject this out of hand. It is just eerie how much you Black Nationalists have in common with the White Nationalists.

Furthermore: I just caught you in a massive conundrum. You like to call White people Europeans yet by your standards: they would simply have to be "Asians masquerading as Europeans" since the ancestors of the Europeans came from Asia & displaced the aboriginal Europeans of whom only the Basques still remain. Though no one calls the White people of Europe "Asians who are settlers in Europe" or who started an "Asian colony in Europe" yet this is what you say about the White Africans who have been in Africa for hundreds of years & who have become Africanized.

Still another obtuse gem: "We are talking genetics here." No this is not the case at all. This is not about genetics. Once again you are making a priori argument. The term African HAS GOT NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH GENETICS!!!!!! The term African is a GEOGRAPHICAL term not a genetic term. Zende you are just so full of erroneous presumptions / canards & are full of crap.

Then this telling quote which exposes your pseudo religious motivation behind your denial of White Africans: "Quit trying to steal the Afrikan's birth right by using tricky words like Afrikaners and White Afrikan. That's blasphemy." WTF? Blasphemy? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. I think I am going to fall of my chair in laughter! This is not about religion -or is it? This insistence that White Africans are somehow not Africans -remember as noted above they also then can not be Europeans if we are to use your bizarre standard for use of terms since they also once came as strangers to Europe- is SIMPLY A RELIGIOUS MATTER TO YOU & has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with the EMPIRICAL evidence. The empirical evidence demonstrates the existence of White Africans. The historical record is replete with the presence of Afrikaners & White Africans -but your SUBJECTIVE RELIGIOUS OR FAITH BASED WORLD VIEW does not let you objectively analyze the empirical evidence as your biased religious outlook simply causes you to EDIT information out that would conflict with your pathetic belief system. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Zende -you are a riot.

Religious interpretation should not play a role in the analysis of the evidence. Just because you do not like the notion of White Africans does not mean that there is no EVIDENCE for the existence of White Africans. Zende: you are like those people who still believe the Earth is flat because the empirical reality of it being round conflicts with their religious belief system which just can not allow for pesky facts to counter the illogical fallacies of their assertions. The fact is that you object to the reality of White Africans based on religious grounds (you accused the finding of being "blasphemy"!) since you hold the Black Africans up to a higher level or mystical & mythical standard & excuse their colonialism while narrow mindedly focus only on whatever misdeeds you imagine the White Africans (which you do by lumping them in with the European colonials) did while never once acknowledging the merit of their presence which is the backbone of farming enterprise in Southern Africa.

The fact of the matter is that the Boer people in particular can not be lumped in with the White & or European colonials or colonists as the Boers did not colonize Africa -certainly not in the manner in which the major European colonial powers did- as they are a homegrown ethnic group which sprung up on African soil & never went on to colonize other tribes the way the European colonial powers did. The Boers never wanted the responsibility of making decisions for other peoples as they left the major tribes to run themselves as these tribes were still independent when the British came onto the scene & began to conquer the said tribes including the Boers themselves which the British finally did at the conclusion of the second Anglo-Boer War.

Ron Palmer.

Date Posted: Saturday 06-Oct-2007
Zende from Atlanta, in the event that you were not aware;

In at least Americanized English an Afrikaner is a person that speaks Afrikaans (the name of a language derived from Middle Dutch by Whites in South Africa) or more generally is a White person born in South Africa from White families that have lived in South Africa for several generations.

It is like a Russian saying he is Russian.

An African is a person that lives in Africa, a Bantu is one of the several Negro sub-races that originated in Africa, and an Afrikan is a person of a nation of the White Race that developed linguistically and culturally in the southernmost portions of the Afican continent from 1652 to this day.

There could be a confusion because in many European Languages the Kappa sound is represented by K where as in English it comes from C and K. This is a remnant of the Romans whose alphabet used C for the sound. The Celts used the Latin Alphabet and passed it onto the Old English when they arrived in Britain. In the mean time other Europeans found different uses for the Latin Letter C which found their way into Middle English.

So in Modern English C can stand for s, ch (t+sh,cc in Italian), and k. It should make perfect sense (or sence) in English where it should be unstated yet understood that Afrikaner is the name for a certain group of European descended people who made a few countries in Africa and now live in the country named the Republic of South Africa.

What you are putting forward is like saying that all Americans are descended from Amerigo Vespucci. Context! All Americans are American but not all Americans are Native Americans. It is nice to see Americans from Canada visiting America to increase tourism across the Americas.

J.
La Florida

Date Posted: Saturday 06-Oct-2007
So Zende, I take it you will be leaving Amerika then? It seems you are not Amerikan and cannot possibly have any claim to being Amerikan. I'm pretty sure the native Amerikans didn't want you there either.

Susan Ramsay
Hong Kong
China

Date Posted: Friday 05-Oct-2007
Well, I can’t say that I’m surprised by the responses after my last post. Did I not say in my last post that “No matter what I say or how correct it may be, you WILL disagree because it does not serve your "greater purpose".

I’ll say this again, If you are a European born in Afrika, you are still a European, Not Afrikan. If you are Afrikan born in America or Europe, you are still Afrikan, not American or European. What you all getting confused is the difference between RACE, and NATIONALISM. When I speak of Race, I am talking about your phenotypical traits that comprise your genetic makeup. When you talk about Nationalism, you are talking about what Nation’s laws and dogma that you subscribe to. South Africa is a Nation, NOT a race. So you can be European, African, Indian, or Chinese and be South African. But that DOES NOT make you African. Because, if we decode your DNA and it says your ancestors originated in Europe, and we agree with science’s definition that Europeans are white or pale skinned, with blue, grey, or green eyes, with circumcised lips, And science’s definition of the Afrikan is totally opposite of this, then you, are definitely, NOT Afrikan. Do I have to make this any simpler? Now I understand how people get this misconstrued because most people define themselves by the Nation unto which they were born or grew up in. But don’t get it twisted. Your Nation does not necessarily define your race. In science, the HUEmanoid Afrikan refers to one who is of dark complexion with hair like lambs wool. Again, if you look in the mirror and you do not fit this description, then you are NOT Afrikan. Quit trying to steal the black man's birth right and Get the Fuck Out Of Afrika!!!

Zende
Atlanta
USA

Date Posted: Friday 05-Oct-2007
The liberal thinking that permiates our society today seems to have its roots going back to at least 1965 .The group thinking envirement is now even prevelent in grade school and without parent concern. Universities and colledge levels do not tolerate in most part open thinking and encourage herd mentality instead. Political science for example revolves around now left wing dogma at taxpayers expense. This thinking of smugness and snobery runs right thru to lawyers and politics etc.The end result will be a new socialism under another name with its roots in say Rothchild banks and others including the now world wide COUNCIL on FOREIGN RELATIONS pushing for a united AFRICA ,united NORTH AMERICA and of course a united EU.

ED BASELEY
VANCOUVER BC
CANADA

Date Posted: Friday 05-Oct-2007
Zende

Africa not Afrika!

Fanie
Switzerland

Date Posted: Friday 05-Oct-2007
Arsehole Zende!

I agree with you one hundred percent Estelle.
Cynic you also make my day, you should write more. Seriously.

And to all the other Zende's out there: We are Afrikaner!
We were born and bred in Africa we are our own people with our own language and culture. We never colonized anywhere in Africa. The Dutch ( no offence Dokkum), English, Belgians etc. etc. Still had their mother countries to go back to. They also kept their respective cultures in these colonies. That is what colonization is. It is an extension of an existing country.
And strangely enough, the African’s in those countries adopted the customs and languages of the white masters out of choice. Why do you think they like to live like the white man? Use the white mans inventions, eat his food and speak his language. And I'm not just referring to South Africa. Nigeria, Mozambique etc. etc. There is a black government in place that chooses out of their own free will to ware a suit and tie and sleep on a bed at night in a house and not a mud hut. They want to be exactly like the white man but are too embarrassed to admit to it because secretly they know they don't have the intellect and can't make it work so the excuses will always be there... They will never admit it but if they had the money most would love to go threw the same procedure as Michael Jackson.
If they hate the way of the white man so much then why not go back and live in the way they used to before contact with us?

Fanie
Switzerland

Date Posted: Thursday 04-Oct-2007
The problem is that the minority Afrikaaners are dying too quickly to maintain a stable population for the area (all of South Africa). Be it old age, disease, crime, or genocide the death rate is achieving the goal of the elimination of a White Population in South Africa.

The desired solution is to preserve and promote a White Population in South Africa. If people aren't working for that goal then what's the point? Eliminate internecine differences. Draw up your lines, if some White People won't cooperate, leave them be. Remember the ANC used a Gasoline Necklace to ensure cooperation.

Increase birth rates of the White Population.

Increase health care to ensure longer lives.

Increase defensive measures to ensure longer lives.

Increase offensive measures (loyal police) against threats (crime).

South Africa is a large country and Whites seem to be scattered over it (holding on to the memory). Homelands offer higher population density which means more prospective mates and better chance of security.

Homelands also make you a direct target though. The ANC government (this seems dominated by xhosa mostly) is hostile to Whites, and might attempt to enforce diversity in these unofficial homelands. So an organization must be used to support one another if you are at most allowed only a few houses near one another.
You must also begin to become self sufficient in terms of labor. If non-Whites start doing your jobs then they have a claim on White livelihoods.

The other problem with Homelands is that you lose claims to the places you are not at until you are strong enough (by economics, politics, or arms) to enforce claims to other parts of the country. This seems like one of those critical questions, which area to abandon. Location is an important factor as well. Easily defended territory is nice, but so is fertile and watered area. A coastal region offers the benefit of international trade and fishing but also opens the aspect of attack from the sea.

Cooperation is the key; a ram might be able to keep predators at bay from him but if the sheep are eaten, the ram comes to naught.

If you can attain political recognition for a renewed White Nation in South Africa then I congratulate your efforts. Try to swindle as much help as you can from other nationalistic causes or anyone. If it were not for Ben Franklin milking the French Empire, the American War of Independence would have had a tough time.

I do not know what the gun laws are in ANC South Africa, but you need numbers and protection and it doesn't seem like the ANC offers any protection even for the small numbers you have now.

J. a naive American

J.
La Florida

Date Posted: Thursday 04-Oct-2007
It seems that everyone knows what the problem is.The question is, what are we doing about it,or are we just sitting tight.Remember this is what the Rhodesians did, those that did not leave the country when the writing was on the wall

K.B.
Cape
RSA

Date Posted: Thursday 04-Oct-2007
Hey Zende, you have truly entertained me this afternoon with your comments. If you are so clued up on our 'African' situation, then why are you not here to challenge Thabo Mbeki for the presidency? Come and solve our problems with your in-depth knowledge and become an example of true african leadership, perhaps even outshining the great achievements of Mr Mandela. I thought all the inhabitants of earth belonged to one and the same race, that would be the human race. But with you on earth I can now see how some belong to a sub-species. I was born here in South Africa and I contribute positively to the future prosperity of this country, so I would take offense to being excluded from the definition of being an African. Firstly I am South African, then African, just as much you can claim to be American if you were born there. Black Africans can claim Africa as being theirs due to birth right, so can I. And just one last minute tip for you Zende, If you intend joining the idiots in the picture above, shout VIVA with a clenched fist! If you happen to open your fist briefly, you WILL fall out of your tree and hit your head again.

Claus
Johannesburg
South Africa

Date Posted: Thursday 04-Oct-2007
Zende is full of shit!

John
Perth
Australia

Date Posted: Thursday 04-Oct-2007
Aaaaahhh ...the eternal racism accusations rears it's head once again. That crutch of the backward regressive and destructive cultures of the planet to justify their uselessness.
What is racism? It's a question that has been asked and answered very well a couple of times on this website and there is a very good article by Albert Brenner.
I personally do not like cultures that are congenitally predisposed to violent crime, brutal murder and rape, savage torture of their victims and a variety of other terrible manifestations as well as lies and accusations against my culture that have absolutely no substance whatsoever.
There is such a culture in Southern Africa that is characterised by these atrocious activities on a daily basis against innocent, unarmed white civilian, men women and children. The fact that this culture is black and that the perpetrators of these heinous sub-simian terrorist activities just happen to be 99% black has absolutely nothing to do with my sentiment. I hate and despise these people not because of their skin colour but because of what I've come to associate with their skin colour. I also associate certain other terrorist activities with a particular religious fanatical sect and I don't like them either.
If there are white people that stand accused of similar atrocities - I don't like then either and won't associate with them.
I do not like blacks for a variety of reasons, every one of them empirically documented, recorded and evident in every aspect of their existence everywhere and anywhere on this planet. I do not like their culture of entitlement without making the effort to acquire what they desire as I have done instead of begging or stealing, mostly violently.
I don't like their penchant for blaming everybody else for their failures instead of taking accountability and responsibility for their own failures or self-realisation. I do not like Robert Mugabe because of what he has done to a beautiful country and it's people which has been plain for everybody to see the world over, yet he blames white people for his atrocities. I do not like people who support Mugabe and his type.
I think labeling me or anybody a racist because I/we hate and despise the predominantly murderous and destructive characteristics of blacks is myopic and simplistic. Nevertheless such is popular opinion, the reflection of the shallowness and stupidity of humanity that says that blacks have the right to perpetuate terror against whites and whites who resist and resent that are racist.

Cynic
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Date Posted: Thursday 04-Oct-2007
Dear Mugabe's little testicle Zende.
As I've said and you've just proved me absolutely correct; it is impossible to elicit intelligent debate from a black and you have just reinforced that apart from displaying what is apparently a congenitally ingrained sense of inferiority about your sub-species.
Your posting actually says a whole lot of nothing interspersed with a whole lot of bullshit of the type that bullshit artists like yourself attempt to use to create the illusion of intelligence according to the well-known saying; "Bullshit baffles brains". And I have to admit, I'm thoroughly baffled.
Ummmm.... to start with, you raise the question with Ron Palmer, "What the hell is a White African"? - Well I'll tell you that if you can understand what the hell an "African American" is, you'll be able to grasp the concept of a White African but I'm not holding out much hope that you could.
Now you make a whole lot of other assertions not one of which is borne out by a single fact. For example, you state that African have been around for 80000 years and that whites "only came on the planet 6600 years ago"
Really? 80000 years of history and blacks are still regressing?
Next - something to the effect that whites raped, pillaged and plundered Africa in the colonization process. I'm trying to determine how many historical accounts there are of white people raping black women in the entire history of their presence in Africa on the same scale as we see blacks raping their own kind, from babies aged three months to their own grandmothers and mothers well into their 80's and of that there is plenty of fact, particularly in South Africa, not to mention the regular amount of sexual assaults by blacks of chickens, goats and a variety of other small animals. Where you can provide such evidence please do - or is it once again just something you once heard somewhere from someone? White men don't rape black women on the scale that blacks will fuck anything with a pulse so please don't don't talk shit or produce the evidence. White men actually and typically do not find black women attractive especially those big fat black Mamma's - sis man, how revolting.
Albino's - fantastic, incredible - white people are actually albinos???? I love your logic, would you care to enlighten me as to the ocurence of Albino lions, Albino alligators, albino snakes and even albino dolphins, all species within which "race" does not exist? Albinoism is an unfortunate defect found in every human race on earth - even amongst white people you twat.
The rest of your posting just starts deteriorating into a total crock of crap about white laboratory mice and Paul Newman and as such is the final expose of your particularly simian sub-intellect that doesn't bear any debate so I'll adress your assertion as to the origin of my PSEUDONYM, Cynic.
Let me explain little testicle, a Cynic is:
1.A person who believes that only selfishness motivates human actions and who disbelieves in or minimizes selfless acts or disinterested points of view.
2.One of a sect of Greek philosophers, 4th century b.c., who advocated the doctrines that virtue is the only good, that the essence of virtue is self-control, and that surrender to any external influence is beneath human dignity.
Capice? - No you probably don't so I'll put it this way as per definition 2 above. I'm cynical of the fact that blacks can or have any history of displaying any virtue based on self-control, given their predisposition to violent murder, rape, robbery, plunder etc, such as we see in Southern Africa, the rest of Africa and anywhere else on the planet for that matter.
As to your reference to a dog, let me explain further:
Cynic in the ENGLISH context is the application of my pseudonym, not it's Greek derivative Kuon which refers to a certain imbecile called Diogenes who was seen performing dog-like acts in public such as barking, urinating in the street and masturbating in public. It seems Diogenes may have been black because these are the very characteristics of which there is ample documented evidence, of blacks in the streets of cities in South Africa.
You couldn't even get that right so I'm afraid that leaves nothing further to discuss with you. You are an inferior, rather stupid sub-species given to delusions of grandeur on one hand and animalistic instinct on the other. Now run along to Zimbabwe and go and fullfil your destiny - Run little testicle, Run but please do not grace us any further with your dubious credentials and inane rantings about white lad rats and poor old Paul Newman.

Cynic
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Date Posted: Thursday 04-Oct-2007
Zende,
That was a huge post of yours, and I will keep my reply quite brief. Your point is, the white man must go back to where he came from, he has no place in Africa.

Much further on, you tell us that the black man made the white man, by producing an albino.

If this is true, white people originate from Africa, so we have, by colonising Africa, gone back to where we came from.

As usual, in your chimp like way, you have confounded yourself and I am sure we can expect an outraged howl of prolix confusion to follow from you.

Next time, do try to think things through, you are only calling further ridicule upon your own head, and that of your race.

Mike
Jhb
Rsa

Date Posted: Thursday 04-Oct-2007
Zende, FYI colonisation has been taking place since the beginning of time. We all came from Africa in the first place.
Second, it is not just a white trait that land is taken over from weaker people. The blacks were doing it to each other all the time, just as the whites were doing it to each other as were all other nations, all the time. It is what happens when a dominant race meets a weaker one. All the time. So stop acting like an affronted virgin.
Raping, pillaging and enslavement - all par for the course ALL OF THE TIME. Once again, not something brought into Africa by the whiteman.
The whites themselves had been enslaved by each other and other races, all of the time. Why you think it should suddenly be any different when it comes to Africa beats me.

susan ramsay
Hong Kong
China

Date Posted: Wednesday 03-Oct-2007
Alright Let's Deal with it. I'll start at the bottom in response to comments directed to me. First things first, No matter what I say or how correct it may be, you WILL disagree because it does not serve your "greater purpose", which I will explain at the end.

Okay, First Up, Joseph a.k.a. Hail Columbia. You are dead on about your etymology of the word Africa. In my years of study I have come across the same information. I must apologize to all for my error. In my rush to respond to the article I misused the word Africa in place of the word Egypt which was originally called Kemet. And it is Kemet that meant land of the blacks. So, to Joseph you are correct. But I have a problem with one thing. In your comments you stated this fact: * the Greek word aphrike, meaning "without cold." This was proposed by historian Leo Africanus (1488–1554). My problem is this: Afrikans have a "civilization" that dates back more than 80,000 years! And what you call Africa today was known as Akebulan. Sorry, Wikipedia won't tell you this. So, being the "Stupid affirmative action person" that you have renamed me, I'm stupid enough to know that Leo Africanus (which is an Italian name, even though he wasn't) "proposed" the name Africa to someone. To you I ask, proposed to who and for what purpose? Did he propose it to the indigenous inhabitants? Why didn't he ask the indigenous inhabitants hey, what do YOU ALL call this place? Do you truly understand when I say Get The Fuck Out of Afrika (Akebulan) and every other place Europeans have decided to rename? We ALL are aware that the plan was created thousands of years ago. And if you don't know I will explain the plan later.

Next, susan ramsay. You say that colonization is a part of life. Only since the white man came upon this planet roughly 6600 years ago. First you must deal with the written definition of the word and the word put into action. The definition of colonizing is the spreading of a species into a NEW habitat. But we've come to know that colonization in action means stealing, rape, murder, and denaturing. If the land is pristine and untouched and a group of people migrate to this land then this is called a settlement. But when you choose to go to a place that is already inhabited and you decide to "colonize" this is called stealing, raping, and murdering.

Next, Ron Palmer. Let me get right into explaining something you can't seem to have someone explain for you. You stated: how do you "steal" land from people who have no concept or belief in the ownership of land? You steal it by giving them a concept or belief in the ownership of land. You steal it by saying God made me more superior and you are occupying a space I want. Now, I have no proof that God made me superior but since I have a gun and I don't respect the right that you were here first, and even though you have treated me with open kindness and are willing to share the land with me, I'm going to kill you and set up my establishment here. That's how you steal land from someone without a concept of owning land. You trick them in to believing you are righteous and when they turn their backs you stab them or give them blankets infested with small pox. Just ask the Native Americans how do you steal land.
Second Ron Palmer, let me clear up something that you may not understand. Today, when a crime is committed against a person, the first description that the victim gives is skin color. So, when Afrikans look at the history of how the White man has pillaged and raped Afrika of it's natural resources and its people, they are looking at white people as a whole for atrocities created by the Dutch, the French, Italian, German, English, Belgian and any other European "settlers" on their land that God placed them on. If you get bit in the ass by 3 different type of snakes, I guarantee you will have no pity for the fourth one, no matter what type it is. Further Ron Palmer you stated : What about the aboriginal yellow-brown skinned Khoisan peoples who are the original inhabitants of Southern & Eastern Africa! Under your hateful & racist dogma of "land of the blacks" you have by default asserted that the original inhabitants of Africa: the Khoisan peoples HAVE NO PLACE . I like the fact that you used the term aboriginal. NOTE THIS. You will NEVER here a a person of European decent being described as "Aboriginal". The Khoisan people are considered African, black, or colored by European definition. So your use of African people as an example to describe African people belonging to the land of Africa makes no sense to me. Why didn't you use the boers in this example? yeah that wouldn't make much sense either. I suggest you go back to genocide watch and read the 8 stages of genocide. And when you do I want you to tell me what European COUNTRY has be subjected to these 8 steps by any people indigenous to Afrika. Ron Palmer you also stated: Even if you are from the pre Colombian peoples -you would still be a colonizer or settler in America as they also came from elsewhere. Please explain Where is "elsewhere"? May I suggest a book by Ivan Van Sertima entitled "They Came Before Columbus". Also Ron Palmer you stated: The White Africans have a long / proud & often difficult history on the African continent. Let me ask you this, What the hell is a White African? This is exactly what I mean when I say get the Fuck out of Africa. Europeans have long been trying to rewrite history and include themselves in places they don't belong and steal the black man's birth right. Any person with a 10th of intelligence know that when you refer to Afrikan people it is understood based on the long long long inhabitation of the continent that these are black people. When you use terms like White African what you are saying is White Black People. Furthermore, The Boers are not African, they are Europeans. Check their origin. If an Afrikan (Black) man and woman have a baby in China, is the child Chinese? No! How many Black Chinese do you know? So just because some europeans settled in Afrika and started a colony doesn't make them Afrikan. We are talking genetics here. Quit trying to steal the Afrikan's birth right by using tricky words like Afrikaners and White Afrikan. That's blasphemy.

Last and definitely least of all, I come to CYNIC. First thing, doesn't the word cynic refer to being like a dog? I'm sure if you research this you'll find it. Also, isn't a cynic a person who views everything as negative? I must say this, all of that barking of negative word play that you want to trick yourself and others into believing is intelligence and a skill of the english language is only an admission that you can't for the life of you say anything of any relevance. I guarantee you don't know how much your so called friends smile in your face talk about you behind your back. And another thing, you masturbate too much. No real woman would put up with your rambling. If you do have a woman, I'm sure she's just a trophy piece without a brain. Why? Because you wouldn't have it any other way. Grow up and quit "thinking" you're intelligent. Now Cynic, how's that for interesting fact, not of your origin but of your current existence. Viva cynic!!! viva! viva!! N O T!

Finally, the Greater Purpose. If you don't like it so what. But I guarantee you can't dispute it. The greater purpose of the European race is total annihilation of it's biggest threat to survival: Black Afrikans. Let's take a walk back through history to understand this. When the European started migrating out of Europe they started discovering things. But they "discovered" things that were already there and that other people already new about like the pyramids in Kemet (Egypt). And they called these things "great wonders of the world". Why? because they wondered where did it come from, who built it, what was the technology used. But to the informed this wasn't a wonder because we "knew" where it came from. So the european white man started renaming things. That's why you have places like New Zealand, New York, New Mexico, NewFoundland. But to the originals, this wasn't anything new. Find out what the Natives called America before it was "Discovered". I stated earlier that Afrikans have a civilization over 80,000 years old and that the white european only came on the planet roughly over 6600 years ago. Now the question is where did white people come from? Simple. White people are a direct product of genetic engineering called grafting from none other than the Afikan. And rather than admit this, they try to trick the Afrikan into believing that white people are an older and superior race and that humanity evolved from apes. WRONG! We made you. Let me break it down for you. An Afrikan man and woman black as midnight can copulate and produce a baby with white skin and blue eyes. But I don't care how much you try, A white man and woman will never copulate and produce a black or brown baby. When a black couple produces a white baby science calls the baby Albino. What is the definition of Albino: A person or animal lacking NORMAL pigmentation, with the result being that the skin and hair are abnormally white or milky and the eyes have a pink or blue iris and a deep-red pupil. (Taken from www.dictionary.com) Look at freckles on you. What color are they? Ever seen white freckles? NO! White genes (DNA) are recessive and black dominant. I dare you to dispute it. Now, when white men started exploring the globe and copulating with other races, they noticed the offspring didn't have their white features. Rather, the offspring resembled more of the "Aboriginal". Now there's a threat to the great plan of exploring and colonizing. If we mix with these people, we will be eventually exterminated, thought the white man. This my friends is the basis for the white man being in every country of color, even though he is the youngest species on the planet. Kemet (Egypt) has 25 dynasties in the past 5000+ years, but you only hear white historians talking about the last seven or eight. Why? Because they were not around when the first and second dynasties were started. These were black people. How can Egypt be in Africa and the so called Egyptians not be black? You don't belong in Afrika.
This is why Europeans committed genocide in America, why the Afrikan slave trade occurred in America, why Apartheid existed in South Afrika, why you set up opium dens in China, why you're "invading" Iraq, and Burma right now. This is why you disown your children for marrying outside of the white race, because you know the children will not be white. This is why you want to ban abortion, because it means you're helping to kill off the white race. White women have more abortions than any other race. Check out Sweden.
Now, I know you don't like this, but I encourage you to do the research for yourself. Find out why research laboratories use white mice and rabbits for experimentation. The greater purpose is to annihilate the majority of people of color and have the surviving few doing your menial labor. But you have no idea of the greater plan that was hear before you were created. We are Huemans (meaning man of color). You Paul "NEW MAN" are what is called a human being or mankind. Meaning you're not Hueman but "being" or acting like a Hueman. You are "Kind of a Man" because you are not original. Ever seen a dog or cat being? NO! You're either are or are not. But you have seem something that "kind of" looked like a dog or cat. Call me racist all you want. I welcome it. The suffix ist means one who is proficient in his particular filed of study. Pianist (one who is proficient in the piano), Scientist ( one who is proficient in science), Dentist (one who is proficient in dentistry), Racist (................ ha, ha). I love my race. All people should love their race. I welcome other races with open arms in the spirit of brotherhood. You must understand the difference in racist and bigot. In my earlier post I said get the Fuck out of Africa. Never did I say killing people was correct. I come from a beautiful, peaceful, loving people. We believe in seeing people as God's creation. But you must understand, If you go to the hospital for chemotherapy because of cancer, some good cells are going to get destroyed in the effort to get the cancer out of the body. And right now Afrika has a nasty cancer lurking in the heart of it. And it all started when the European came on the scene and started renaming things that were already known. I welcome intellectual debate. Hotep.

Zende
Atlanta
USA

Date Posted: Wednesday 03-Oct-2007
Okay, obviously there are a lot of racist pratts on this page too. Wow, what a lovely way to show yourselves to the rest of the world. Next time you whine about whites being murdered and no one caring - think about that.
The vast majority of African countries are working to pay off their debts. They do not, however, believe they should pay the debts incurred by renegade governments - like those of apartheid south africa. Which is why the current government wiped out Namibia's debt to SA and SA's debt to the rest of the world. One of the reasons Africa is in such a blind mess at the moment is because of the debt that its in, and one of the reasons SA's economy is still as strong as it is is because the ANC refused to pay off the debts incurred by the white minority.
That being said, most western governments attempt to attach restrictions of good governance and human rights to their loans. The Chinese, however, make no such distinction and will soon move in as the new colonial masters of Africa in what will be the biggest Chinese Takeaway the world has ever seen.
Whether or not that will be a good thing will remain to be seen.

susan ramsay
Hong Kong
China

Date Posted: Wednesday 03-Oct-2007
CYNIC strikes again.

Wez
Forster
Australia

Date Posted: Wednesday 03-Oct-2007
Hi Estelle
If the shenanigans of the clowns that are Africa's "leaders" and the devastation that they have manifested on that continent weren't so tragic they would be hillarious/comical.
What is comical are the comments of the likes of Zende here. I have yet to come across any comments by any black in any forum that displays any original, intelligent or independent thought. They all have a herd-like mentality that can be manipulated through the entire spectrum of primal instinct by nothing more than the threat or promise of physical pain or gratification.
I think the various responses to Zende's absolutely brain-dead posting were an attempt to elicit some kind of intelligent debate from him to explain the rationale behind his posting but alas this has not been forthcoming.
Attempting to engage a munt wherever he may be in any kind of intellectual or truthful debate is a futile exercise. I personally just prefer to pull the absolute piss and expose his stupidity so that he doesn't shove his flat nose into the forum again and goes instead to a drive-by shooting or better still overdoses on his habit-forming substance of choice. Alternatively just giving him a factual account of his own dismal stupidity might light a spark of realisation in his simian brain that his existence is so pointless he might as well just go and commit suicide and hopefully create a following within his sub-species.

Cynic
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Date Posted: Wednesday 03-Oct-2007
By the way, someone was kind enough to source the meaning of Africa. Africa does not MEAN, "Land of the Blacks". It actually means "Sunny country" or "Land without Cold". Here's what someone sent me:-

Afri was the name of several peoples who dwelt in North Africa near the provincial capital, Carthage. The Roman suffix "-ca" denotes "country or land".[3]
Other etymologies that have been postulated for the ancient name 'Africa': the Latin word aprica, meaning "sunny"; the Greek word aphrike, meaning "without cold." This was proposed by historian Leo Africanus (1488–1554), who suggested the Greek word phrike (öñßêç, meaning "cold and horror"), combined with the privative prefix "a-", thus indicating a land free of cold and horror.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa

Jan Lamprecht
Johannesburg
South Africa

Date Posted: Wednesday 03-Oct-2007
To: Mystic in New York;

You are right about them driving the whites out regardless of what it does to them. I wrote about this in my book Government by Deception. I stated that the issue for them is CONTROL. They would rather DESTROY something than leave it in our hands - even it it means they die and starve.

Mystic, the only correction I'd like to make to your perception is this: Their leaders know full well what the results will be. But they will drive the whites out, even if 75% of the blacks ended up starving to death. THEY WOULD STILL DO IT. Getting rid of us is key. They can't handle the competition - really. They'd rather get rid of us altogether.

To: Zende in Atlanta;
You're an oxymoron yourself mate. You're sitting in the USA. Who the hell are you to lecture us. Why aren't you in Africa? Or did you run away from Africa too? Or are you too much of a loud mouthed COWARD to live in Africa?

And since when was Africa reserved only for BLACKS? What about the Arabs who've lived here for thousands of years? And anyway... if you knew anything about history you'd know that blacks have not been in South Africa for long.

The Portuguese were in Africa for 500 years - longer than you, your descendents or any white Americans were on that continent.

You sound like a pretty ignorant fellow. I suggest that you actually go and study some real history before you write the garbage you do.

Jan Lamprecht
Johannesburg
South Africa

Date Posted: Wednesday 03-Oct-2007
Ironic that Zende got such a huge response from AFC readers as his worthless comment/utterance, (the meaningless crap that expelled itself from his black mouth), deserved to be ignored.

ZENDE!, Arsehole, please keep your ridiculous comments to yourself.

I wonder what the retard's IQ is, probably around 70, like the rest of the species that he belongs to

estelle
PE
SA

Date Posted: Wednesday 03-Oct-2007
Cynic 's comments to Zende had me reduced to tears with laughter. On your way, Zende!

adrianastuijt@knid.nl
Dokkum
the Netherlands

Date Posted: Wednesday 03-Oct-2007
Africa does not give one shite for 'debts' because they never pay them back anyway. They just get written off every five years. Making deals with African leaders is just as good as pouring your cash into a huge, shiny, bunghole.

adrianastuijt@knid.nl
Dokkum
the Netherlands

Date Posted: Wednesday 03-Oct-2007
Well, yes and no. Those "gifts" are tied to all sorts of conditions and corruptions so seldom get to the people that need them. Which is why many african countries are now rejecting those gifts. Also many of the loans etc is just getting Africa deeper into debt.

susan ramsay
Hong Kong
China

Date Posted: Wednesday 03-Oct-2007
Dear Zende
The magnificent luminance of your intelligent dissertation on this page is truly a shining light at the bottom of the latrine that is black African intellect.
You display the remarkable mental agility to take some completely inane, distorted unadulterated horseshit that you've clearly heard somewhere spattering out of the posterior orifices of some of your peers and faithfully regurgitate it onto this website with all the accuracy and impact of a fart in a wind tunnel.
I'm especially enlightened by your assertion as to the origin of the name Africa, and of course your pearls of wisdom regarding the reversal of the European diaspora to make way for blacks must surely be the most astute comment since the exclamations made by mugabe's midwife at his birth.
I too believe that I can offer you an interesting fact of your own origin. Your name, it intrigues me - Zende - it's origin lies with your ancestral roots in Zimbabwe and is actually a variation of the shona word M'sende. You must be thrilled about your African heritage but even more so if I tell you that you could even be related to Mugabe. You see M'sende in shona means testicle and there is a further dialectic variation - M'zende, which roughly translated means "Dried-up, Syphillitic, pustulating, galloping-cockrot infested useless testicle incapable of producing anything viable".
Now, I see that you prefer the dimunitive "Zende" and here is the key to your relationship with Mugabe. According to those who know, Mugabe apparently only has only one little testicle of the aforementioned description which makes conceivably makes you the missing one - you could well be mugabe's missing little testicle hence your name Zende. What you should do is get to Zimbabwe as quickly as possible and go and claim a white farm to fuck up. Hang, if you're Mugabe's missing testicle, he might even give you ten and keep eight for himself but if your African heritage meant anything to you you'd be on your way as you read this. Imagine the adulation of the starving, emancipated, free masses of Zimbabwe as they scream and beg and cry for food from the great westernised intellectual Zende? It seems your destiny has been filled - VIVA ZENDE !! VIVA !!!! VIVA!!

Cynic
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Date Posted: Wednesday 03-Oct-2007
What is so amazing about this ongoing ethnic-cleansing campaign targetting all 'non-blacks' all over Africa, as that the kith-and-kin of these Europeans being ethnically-cleansed from the entire continent, pay a whopping $26-BILLION (US) for the 'upliftment' of Africa. Those are OUTRIGHT GIFTS.

So the Europeans, North Americans, Australians, Canadians, New Zealanders etc. are PAYING for these genocides being carried out against Europeans in Africa.

The entire Marshall Plan for the rebuilding of Europe after WWII cost $16-billion - and those were LOANS which have since been paid back.

Those industrious Europeans who are being slaughtered all over Africa were effectively more like development-aid workers - whose taxes, skills and technical know-how kept the continent going. And as the whites have been ethnically-cleansed all over the continent, the countries who destroyed these people have also pretty much returned to the stone-age.

It probably has escaped everyone's notice that Zimbabwe 's last fifty European farmers have now left their land forever -- ordered by Mugabe to hand it over on October 1 2007. A government official even issued a statement that any white found in rural areas of Zimbabwe now would be arrested for 'tresspassing on government land'.

Zimbabwe has collapsed as an economic entity and Mugabe's regime now is merely looting what valuables the whites are being forced to leave behind.

There's only two countries left in Africa where Europeans have not yet been ethnically-cleansed: Namibia and South Africa.

And in South Africa, as we can see from this violent land-occupation campaign in Zululand, the ethnic cleansing has also started as soon as the black government took over governance from 1994.

It's not surprising therefore that the country's food supplies have more than halved - and that for the first time in the country's 350-year-old agricultural history, South Africa now has to also import vast quantities of grains from abroad.

The North-American, Chilian and Australian farmers are laughing all the way to the bank because of this ethnic-cleansing campaign targetting Afrikaner farmers!

See http://groups.msn.com/crimebustersofsouthafri...

for the "Boer Genocide' and "Farm Murder" details being posted there over the past six years.
Many are not being reported by the SA Police, but our records show that a total of 2,350 Afrikaner farmers have been slaughtered since 1994 in South Africa.

adrianastuijt@knid.nl
Dokkum
the Netherlands

Date Posted: Wednesday 03-Oct-2007
Hi Cynic,
Your comments as usual are hillarious and completely on the mark!!!

Jan Lamprecht
Johannesburg
South Africa

Date Posted: Wednesday 03-Oct-2007
And within a decade they will be recolonised... probably even less than this. There are things going on in Africa that not everyone is seeing.

And there are none so blind as those who will not see.

anonymous
Cape Town
South Africa

Date Posted: Wednesday 03-Oct-2007
Just a quick correction to my post. Where it says the "Dutch East Company" should have read the Dutch East India Company. This is what happens when one types too fast & does not proof read.

Ron Palmer.

Date Posted: Tuesday 02-Oct-2007
And within a decade they will be recolonised... probably even less than this. There are things going on in Africa that not everyone is seeing.

susan ramsay
Hong Kong
China

Date Posted: Tuesday 02-Oct-2007
Well Zende this is not the first time I have come across such ignorant hateful anti Afrikaans comments. You claim it is an "oxymoron" for an Afrikaner (which is the Afrikaans term for White African) to be terrorized. I guess you must have missed it when Genocide Watch called the killing of White farmers
(mainly those of Boer descent) a genocide. The president of Genocide Watch Gregory Stanton has stated publicly that the killing of these White farmers
constitutes a genocide under the Genocide Convention.

As for your telling, ignorant & hateful assertion that the word Afrika means "land of the blacks": this is nothing but racist nonsense & tips your hand to the racist notions that you harbour. Furthermore: what about the aboriginal yellow-brown skinned Khoisan peoples who are the original inhabitants of Southern & Eastern Africa! Under your hateful & racist dogma of "land of the blacks" you have by default asserted that the original inhabitants of Africa: the Khoisan peoples HAVE NO PLACE
on their own continent. Can anyone imagine the uproar if anyone asserted that Europe was the "land of the whites"? The term racist would be used to
describe such a sentiment.

Now on to the matter of the Afrikaner / White African. You are either very ignorant about them or simply have the gall to accuse them of having "decided to colonize and settle on land that they have no business occupying" which is a total lie! The Boers & Afrikaners NEVER DECIDED TO COLONIZE or settle in Africa. Not even their ancestors made this decision as they did not even have the power to. The decision to colonize & settle in
Africa was done by the Dutch East Company! This was a private corporation which was run by Dutch elites who forced & took the ancestors of the Afrikaans peoples out of Europe after flooding them out of their homes! The Dutch elites who made the decision to colonize & settle Africa even had contempt for the ancestors of the Boers & Afrikaners as noted in
Jan van Riebeeck's diary. Even Theuns Cloete of Boervolk Radio has noted that "Jan van Riebeeck was not the father of the Boer nation". Even the French Huguenot refugees escaping persecution in France were settled at the Cape at the direction of the VOC. So please whatever you do Zende: do not blame the Afrikaans peoples for the colonization or settlement of Africa as it was not even a decision that they even made. And even once there the emerging Boer people had to contend with the authoritarian nature of the Dutch East Company. The poorer segments of the White Afrikaans speaking inhabitants began to trek
eastwards & away form the Western Cape for precisely these reasons & it was those trekking pastoralists who were the origins of the Boer nation.

The White Africans & most notably the Boer people in particular have every right & business to be in Africa as this is the land where they were formed as a culture & as a people. Even the language they speak: Afrikaans (often called "die taal" among Boers) is a product of Africa complete with non European words & accent. The Afrikaans peoples were even in the Western Cape long before they met up with the Bantus on the eastern Cape frontier in around 1775. The Boers were even recognized as a tribe by local Bantu tribes in the past. Furthermore: the Boer Republics of the Transvaal Republic & the Orange Free State were recognized by a number of European governments & the American government. Furthermore you ignorant hate filled moron: the Bantus also had no business colonizing / settling or occupying the land in Southern Africa either as they came & displaced the aboriginal Khoisans peoples. You prattle on about how the people of European origin (they were no longer Europeans once they became indigenous to Africa & America) committed atrocities while never once noting the fact that the Bantus had committed atrocities having done exactly all the thing you cite as well. The Bantus stole, enslaved, murdered, and raped the indigenous people & even each other yet you exhibit only anger at the White Africans for whatever misdeeds you imagine they committed.
Furthermore: how do you "steal" land from people who have no concept or belief in the ownership of land? No one has ever explained that one. The Boers were not even competing for land as much as they were competing for resources which is what naturally occurs among different indigenous peoples.

I find it most hilarious how you deign to tell people to "get the fuck out of" various places around the world but are from Atlanta in the United States.
Even if you are from the pre Colombian peoples -you would still be a colonizer or settler in America as they also came from elsewhere. So you too would have to "get the fuck" out of America as well. Unless of course you are a hypocrite as well as being an ignorant hate filled moron.

The White Africans have a long / proud & often difficult history on the African continent. No amount of anti White propaganda (which is often agenda driven lies) will ever deter from the essential facts that the White Africans are a legitimate part of Africa as any other African peoples. I would suggest that you read up on the history of the Boer people to understand how
they are an African people who just happen to be White & as such can not just simply removes themselves from their own continent.

Ron Palmer.

Date Posted: Tuesday 02-Oct-2007
The same problem is beginning in CANADA where the LIBERAL left wing supreme court continue to rule in favour of land claims for natives.This is occuring in NEW ZEALAND but to a lessor degree.Universities are preaching this social dogma like their on a mission and no where more so than in sucker CANADA.

ED BASELEY
VANCOUVER BC
CANADA

Date Posted: Tuesday 02-Oct-2007
"..they would be able to fuck anything up no matter how sophisticated, viable, functional or productive that may be be
Cynic"

I don't think they care whether they fuck everything up. What they DO care about is to get rid of the whites.Everyone here in the US says it was a miracle what Mandela accomplished (i.e. a bloodless transition to democracy) but the dirty little secret which NONE of the newspapers is reporting is the effort now underway in South Africa to get rid of the whites.They see what happened in Zimbabwe and want to emulate it. The fact that they'll hurt themselves in the process is not even considered.

mystic
New York City
US

Date Posted: Tuesday 02-Oct-2007
Zende, colonisation is a part of life. The zulu themselves colonised this part of the world just before the whites did.

susan ramsay
Hong Kong
China

Date Posted: Tuesday 02-Oct-2007
I just returned from South Africa. My fishing guide Lionel told me about the 4000 farmers and ranchers who have been murdered in the last two years including his Father, just the week before. The authorities are not charging anyone with these murders. The "locals" know it and they are systematically killing all whites who either work or own farm land in their area. It seems the South African or the USA and European News Papers will not carry these stories, so the murders go on un-checked. No one is doing anything about these atrocities. I for one will never return to South Africa or its bordering countries where tribes are now demanding all the land back. 150 year old dairy farms and ranches are being abandoned. Folks are running for their lives. This is old news for me. Why isn't anyone paying attention to this mess. Lionel's phone number in South Africa is 2782-602-6966. I could not get NBC. ABC, CNN to call me back or speak with Lionel. Farmers are being killed as fast as our Soldiers in Iraq.

Jay Markle
Kihei
USA

Date Posted: Tuesday 02-Oct-2007
The settlers worked hard on the empty and depopulated land and had to face off against the Bantus to preserve their works. Southernmost Africa was finally turned into a prosperous and actual state that the native Khoi-San race and the invading Central African Bantu race never did achieve. He who tills the land owns it. So Whites are become the natives of South Africa.

But greed and pity are great foils and the state created by White Colonist utilized non-White labor while trying to maintain a European Society. This is exactly like in America where we are trying to maintain an American Society but use Chinese Slave Labor to produce our goods and Mexican "Day" Labor to build and maintain our homes.

So this oblivion that seems to be the doom of South Africa (the Native Whites pushed out by an overpopulated group that was allowed to stay for convenience's sake) is what we have come to in America with the Mexicans.

What may have seemed like day laborers yesteryear are colonist today. Though we may both till the soil, and though they might crumble without us in a few decades; that concilation will be of little use to us as a dispossessed, deamonized, and hunted minority--as we can see in South Africa.

Europeans have done it, Indians have done it, Arabs have done it, the Bantus do it; this is just the cold hard Darwinian struggle of folk for land (grazing rights) to bring their children into. To understand this and work towards this goal is the greatest effort a society can make--to perpetuate itself--and our society (like our brothers in South Africa and Canada and Europe) is doing everything it can to ensure its downfall.

Mr. Jaap de Villiers' plight is just a preview of Mr. John Smith's oncomming plight.

Thank you for your article and may Mr. de Villiers' family prosper and come to no harm.
J. from the great State of Easter Flowers, Tropical Jewel of the Several States.

J.
La Florida

Date Posted: Tuesday 02-Oct-2007
Zende, you ignorant doos, the term Africa comes from Afri, which was the name of several peoples who dwelt in North Africa near the provincial capital, Carthage. The Roman suffix "-ca" denotes "country or land".[3]

Other etymologies that have been postulated for the ancient name 'Africa':

* the Latin word aprica, meaning "sunny";
* the Greek word aphrike, meaning "without cold." This was proposed by historian Leo Africanus (1488–1554), who suggested the Greek word phrike (φρίκη, meaning "cold and horror"), combined with the privative prefix "a-", thus indicating a land free of cold and horror.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa

Stupid affirmative action person.

Joseph a.k.a. Hail Columbia
State of New York
United States

Date Posted: Tuesday 02-Oct-2007
Nothing a .50 caliber couldn't handle through kitchen window.

Sniper

Date Posted: Tuesday 02-Oct-2007
The gentleman wearing the yellow shirt is brandishing an old style AK47 bayonet

K.B.
Cape
RSA

Date Posted: Tuesday 02-Oct-2007
The title of this article alone is hilarious. The fact that you have and "Afrikaner" getting terrorized is an oxymoron in itself. The word Afrika means "land of the blacks", and that's the way it should be. AfriKa for the Afrikan, not for the Afrikaner who decided the COLONIZE and settle on land that they have no business occupying. The word Afikaner means the same as American. Europeans who stole someone else's land, enslaved, murdered, and raped the indigenous people and feel they are justified by the Devil (their god). Get the Fuck out of Afrika and get the Fuck out America, Australia, and Asia and go back to the caves of the caucus mountains where you came from.

Zende
Atlanta
USA

Date Posted: Tuesday 02-Oct-2007
Bloody 'bastards' poor mr De Villers and his family, i feel tremendously sorry for them, the absoloute vile shit that these poor hardworking white farmers have to endure and the rest of the world doesn't give a dam and doesn't want to help them, these blacks are savages and animals and can not be reasoned with.

John
Perth
Australia

Date Posted: Monday 01-Oct-2007
Those are Mugabe t-shirts. Very popular among blacks in Europe, too and sold all over the place.

adrianastuijt@knid.nl
Dokkum
the Netherlands

Date Posted: Monday 01-Oct-2007
DIE BOER EN SY ROER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4k5is-1XoU

adrianastuijt@knid.nl
Dokkum
the Netherlands

Date Posted: Monday 01-Oct-2007
"CYNIC" has just summed up the entire situation in Southern Africa. Your use of the english langauge, laced with profanity in the appropriate context, was excellent. Well done !!

Wez
Forster
Australia

Date Posted: Monday 01-Oct-2007
like rhodesia these blks have been sent there to do this it will continue,ultimately they are destroying themselves,but those that sent them care not,its like reading a book as the same methods are used time and again,but to find the head...FOLLOW THE MONEY.

brian
dbn
south africa

Date Posted: Monday 01-Oct-2007
Did I see a Nelson Mandela t-shirt as one of those thugs were wearing? I'm pretty sure that's Mandela. I guess to the anti-apartheid movement, some forms of apartheid are more equal than others.

MH

Date Posted: Monday 01-Oct-2007
Terrorists need to be shot cold footed without mercy.

HJ
Ba
Spain

Date Posted: Monday 01-Oct-2007
These guys are bullies, plain and simple.

anonymous
Cape Town
South Africa

Date Posted: Monday 01-Oct-2007
I have to say that I have never seen a more intelligent, capable and competent looking bunch in my entire life. I'm sure that they will do extremely well at turning Mr. De Villier's farm into a steaming pile of shit in no time at all.
They have that aura of African inscrutability that says that they would be able to fuck anything up no matter how sophisticated, viable, functional or productive that may be be.
Here's to a bumper crop of absolutely fuckall next year followed by an unbelievable season of absolute defoliation of anything green anywhere in sight, world class desolation, the most amazing reduction of perfectly good farm implementation to worthless scrap and the brilliant conversion of exquisite homestead, dwellings and out buildings into ramshackle shitpits that defy gravity by maintaining a 50 degree to the perpendicular stance for at least one good rainy season.
The sheer nuclear-like devastation of African ingenuity and destructive prowess is an awe-inspiring and humbling thing to behold while bringing tears to one's eyes and a sense of Zimbabwean destiny that would find the highest place of honour amongst the worst of humanity's fuck-ups in all of history rivalling even that well known exquisitely excremental monument to Robert Mugabe and a credit to the insight of the left-wing liberal pinko wanker communist cocksucking fraternity within the global community. VIVA !!!VIVA!!!!VIVA!!!!

Cynic
?
??

Date Posted: Monday 01-Oct-2007
Wish we could help!

wayne
CSA